LOL Nice Scenario.

How about this one:






The Romans use the others for toilet paper. Why would you come here and ask us to support such a scenario ?? Do you need more toilet paper ??

Democrats certainly do not leave the budget in better shape. The American people are intelligent, and realized this. This is why they remove the Democrats before they create an even greater fiscal mess. But sometimes the American people have lapses in their thinking and mistakenly elect the evil Democrats. Sometimes they need to be reminded of the destruction the Democrats can cause. Look at what George Bush had to endure. If it were not for the secret big spending policies implemented by Clinton then Bush would not have needed to plunge the grand U.S of A into massive debt.

Look at the graph. Clearly Bush Junior was trying his hardest in the first term to reduce the debt. And luckily the intelligent American people realized that Bush needed another term to rescue America's financial situation. The American people are so smart, if only they had elected him for a third term. Imagine if every single citizen in the world was as smart as the average American citizen. The world would be a much better place!

Your kidding me right ? Your obviously a staunch democrat supporter with a strong unconscious bias that distorts your perception of reality.


Let me outline it in simple terms. Go back and observe the graphs. Clearly Republican administrations inherit governments with democrat created fiscal time bombs.


Lets look at Mr Clinton. It is obvious from the graphs that Mr Clinton created a reckless spending culture within the U.S governmental bodies. But the American people are extremely intelligent, and were able to stop Clinton's deceptive agenda. Imagine how much worse it would have been if the Democrats were elected for a third term!! Perhaps the data would show that the massive government spending programs implemented would start to plunge America into a massive debt! But no, Americans are much to smart to allow this. Instead they would rather reinstate a fiscally responsible Republican administration to uncover the Democrat induced mess and restore America to strong financial standing.


So please, I know facts can be hard to deal with. Especially these ones. But take a deep breath and you like me will realize the solution to this mess:

Ohh and ideally you should be sleeping properly. This means sleeping when it is dark. Research shows that if your circadian rhythm is not synchronized properly then you have a significantly higher chance of many illnesses, not just mental.


Trivia: Scientists observe that cultures that have no artificial lighting have the following sleeping pattern: Wakeup just before sun-rise. Nap in afternoon. Sleep soon after sunset. Wake up for an hour in the middle of the night. Sleep.

Studies have been done in Mongolia and somewhere else. Based on this scientists assert that ideally we should be having a nap in the arvo and waking up for an hour in the middle of the night.

Yea go see a health professional. I don't get why there is such a stigma around shrinks. Historically people would see priests about their issues. The community held priests in high esteem for such things. So why aren't shrinks held in the same regard ?  


Anyways if your not going to talk to someone about it you should consider exercising, sex, and even swimming in a near freezing lake. A Russian study found that people who would swim in a near - freezing lake had close to no mental health issues. Although you could argue that you need a mental health issue to swim in a cold lake! Scientists think that the stress caused by the cold water upon the nervous system has some sought of inoculating effect.

False.

I am not a comedian. I am here with a serious and urgent message. That is all.


STOP THE DEMOCRATS.


American debt is a serious issue and Americans must do everything in their power to stop Obama. The graphs clearly show that the worst possible outcome is a Democrat government. Revolution is the only possible way to solve this. Americans must find the next Bush prodigy. Bush prodigy must be elected. Bush prodigy will return the American economy to its rightful position as global powerhouse.

Bush prodigy will do this by

(1) Reducing all tax rates to zero.

(2) Punish the selfish parasitic public service by making all public servants work for nothing until they die!

(3) Unify the American people by liberating a lucky country oppressed by a ruthless leadership.

These simple steps are all that is needed to solve America's debt crisis. None of this Bi-partisan nonsense. Obama, Democrats and the Republican traitors must all be publicly crucified. Americans must demonstrate that such behavior will not go unpunished.

So ??

The graphs below show that Democrats are incapable of managing the U.S economy.





Republicans always inherit governments containing fiscal time-bombs. They battle against the culture created by the previous democratic government only to be thrown out of office. Democrats inherit a government of strong fiscal position. Bill Clinton in particular inherited the good works of Bush senior. The American people realized this and decided that they would remove Bill Clinton in favor of Bush Junior. Unfortunately Bush Junior inherited a fiscal mess from the Clinton administration. But the American people have made the same mistake again by electing President Obama.

Lets try to understand this more closely.



This graph clearly shows consecutive Republican governments attempting to reduce the government spending created by the previous democratic governments. But to no avail. The American people realized that Clinton was secretly implementing programs of massive government spending. Luckily Bush Junior was elected, because if Clinton was allowed to continue the damage would have been much worse. Thank God for all of those fiscal conservatives that removed Clinton. And as it can be seen Bush is fighting a losing battle against the large spending programs started by Bill Clinton.


Now lets look at government revenues.



Republicans are very efficient operators. They extract the bare minimum from the American people, where as the Democrats are greedy and need lots of money to fund their big spending habits. Look at Bill Clinton, this guy thought he was clever, but he was wrong, the American people were on to him. He tried to extract significant sums of money from the American people and implement lots of secret big spending government programs. But he was undone! The Republicans were elected to return American to strong fiscal standing. Bush Junior was able to fight two wars and reduce taxes. Why can't the Democrats do this ? And they wonder why the American people are unhappy.




   

    
Outlaw the Democrats. Being a Democrat is unconstitutional. Its unlawful. Its evil. Americans must remove Obama before he commits the same evils as Clinton.  Americans must engage in a unrelenting battle to spread the message of the Republican Goodness. The media must be used to spread the word of the Republican message, at all costs, and even subliminally. The American people must have their senses saturated with the message of the Republican Goodness.

Only then will America be liberated of the perpetual Debt Disease caused by Democrats.

You know what I don't get; idiots that say we should get rid of religion.

These same idiots fail to think about a fundamental question; Who invented religion?

You can't get rid of it. Religion is a product of intelligence.

Imagine that first person who had the concept of a god. And your saying that if we completely remove any notion from current human knowledge that it will no longer return. LOL.




Sure I think most current religions suck. But for some reason, maybe someone will do a PhD on it one day, intelligence needs a 'god' to handle some environmental problems. So if intelligence needs a 'god' your better off trying to propose a different religion rather than fighting the impossible battle of removing religion altogether.

I think the incompatibility arises from how each ideology defines property. Canarchy advocates for extremely strong property rights. I'm not to sure about Sanarchy, it seems that they vary from weak property rights to no property rights. Nonetheless, this has the effect of completely changing how each society will function. One is where control is defined by 'capital' and the other is based somewhat on 'public opinion'. If I own all the capital then I can do whatever I want with it. Compared with; if I misuse my capital, others can take it from me despite having no prior 'right' to it.


I largely agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Marx only proposed the Vanguard towards the later end of his life. He proposed it as a method to implement Communism. I view this a distinct idea separate from everything else Marx contributed. Further I view Marxism as two separate subjects, the economics and the 'worship of commune'. Its unfortunate that there is a lot of misinformation about Marxism.

I do think that he has contributed some good ideas to economics. Communal ownership of the "means of production" does put an interesting perspective upon property rights. But he didn't like markets ? I'm not to sure about this. I think "fair markets" are one of the best ways to exchange economic information.

I agree with his "Theory of labor value". But sometimes exploitation is apart of life. For example take a group of people. They all have a share in a communal resource. One comes up with an idea to do something productive with the resource. Consequently they receive a larger share of the profit, despite everyone putting in equal effort. That is fair to me, because if that idea didn't occur in the first place there would be no profit to argue over. Then again that might not be exploitation.

Nice pic, is there an article associated with it?



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I think Sanarchists and Canarchists are completely opposite. This needs to be emphasized. Otherwise people, including myself mistakenly associate anarchy with Canarchy. If on the other hand they associated anarchy with Sanarchy, then the community opinion might be dramatically different. It seems historically Sanarchy has been hijacked by Canarchists. The only thing they have in common is the "absence of state". Otherwise they are ideologically opposite. IMO one is the left without government the other is the right without government.

I view Sanarchy as the adherence to Marxism economics, without infringements upon personal expression and interaction.



Interesting assertion. I'm interested to know the basis of this. Cutting wages will result in less consumption of the wage-earners, yes? But what stops an increase in employer consumption to offset this?

Why don't you just answer my question? As usual it is difficult to get a straight answer.

The only thing that stops a subset of the population from enslaving the rest is luck. Luck has allowed the  variance of the population's coercive distribution to become large. Therefore some individuals within the population have significantly more coercive power than the rest. Luck has allowed the set of individuals who have significantly more coercive power to form a distinct social group. Now this distinct social group has coercive power that is unrivaled by any other group. Again luck determines that the agenda of this social group involves enslaving the rest unopposed.

Short answer: The variance of the population's coercive distribution became to large. The laws of the universe will do the rest.

 

Canarchy -> AnCap

Sanarchy -> Socialist Anarchy

Canarchy like communism 'hopes' that no subset of the population forms an organization, and becomes powerful enough to enslave the rest.

To make it more simple; what stops an organization becoming so powerful that it can use coercion to enslave the rest ?

The problem with Canarchy is that it does not have any explicit mechanism to deal with coercive hierarchies. Sanarchy on the other hand does, which I learnt after starting the thread.

Sanarchy is sustainable. Canarchy is a fantasy idea because like communism it does not explicitly deal with coercive human hierarchies.

Sure the processes and firms that each ideology proposes is different. However they both 'hope' that there will not be a subset of the population that uses its force to enslave the rest.

Revenue includes tax. So the first graph shows the percentage of GDP that is collected by the government. Of-course most of it is tax, but not all.

And "window-sitters" is this coming from the same biased article that you use as the pillar of your beliefs? Look at the graphs, or are they just fake because they do not fit your perspective of the world?

Nonetheless even if Japan has Window sitters, what difference does it make? The Japanese aren't complaining as much as the Americans are. It seems as if corporate interests want you to believe that Window sitters are evil so that they can preach their "low-tax/low accountability" agenda.

So I repeat, go find a better article, over a series of posts in different threads you have used that single link to support your beliefs. I have presented information from multiple sources yet you are unable to do the same.

If your position is strong it should not be hard for you to go and find better statistics.

It is clear that Sweden and other Nordic countries with their high taxes and big government are outpacing most industrialized countries.

LastBattle, the article you cite is full of bias and misinformation. Here are the facts.


Here is government revenue showing clearly that the U.S has the lowest tax-rate.


Here is GDP/Capita growth showing little relationship between tax-rate and GDP growth.


Now if Sweden was in a big mess, would it not have high unemployment and be on the brink of collapse just like Greece? Especially considering that you argue that Sweden has been in a mess for such a long time.

Well the unemployment numbers show that Sweden, and other Scandinavian countries unemployment below the European average. Unfortunately there was no U.S overlay.



Protip: Make sure the articles you read actually reflect what is happening in the world.


UPDATE:

Here are the links for the graphs: gdp per capita

Start here for stats: World bank development indicators

All knowing Atlas please answer this simple question for me.

If public education is evil, and Sweden has more state influence in their education system than America does, then why is Sweden not more of a failure than the U.S. ? Why are the Swedish people generally more happy? How come their Society is not a massive failure as you argue?

Wait a sec your imposing your definition upon me? That is not very canarchist.

Is not the "Standard of Subject Values" a pillar of Canarchy?

THANKYOU in advance for respecting my liberties.


And how does Canarchy explicitly deal with human hierarchy?