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Re: [neㄘcash, ᨇcash, net⚷eys, or viᖚes?] Name AnonyMint's vapor coin?
CoinHoarder, stoat, and I ain't fallin' for AnnoyingMint's BS:
Yeah that idiot TPTB thinks every anonymous coin should have a viewkey, but you are correct that Monero should be shunned because it enables auditing!
Mega Kim.Com is our hero! He is a marketing genius (who studied under Charles Ponzi's mastery of manipulating human psychology) cleverly amasses $100 million by charging us small commissions to provide Bittorrent links so we can steal all the content we love (from our beloved artists or from Hollywood) and be free of the censorship that we can't otherwise post to our blog for free access to readers.
Yeah we love Hollywood's content because we love a model of interaction wherein we are dumb zombies who do not create content but sit in front of the TV. Because long live TV and the model of non-interaction as content!
Yeah you are so smart and TPTB is so dumb. Thank you immensely for leading your generation to the truth. Amen.
I didn't have time to go over this earlier, but you are using a straw man argument here. My point in bringing up Bittorrent is that decentralized technologies exist that the government cannot shut down. I was not condoning or promoting Bittorrent's copyright infringement, but rather admiring the technology behind it. You said that anything that broke laws or regulations would be shut down by the government, even if it is built on decentralized technology, and I was pointing out that is not necessarily the case.
Yeah let's move the goalposts and nobody will notice. That is just a little secret between you and I.
Yeah the word 'decentralization' is always correct, even when the concept of decentralized file storage has the inviolable issue of enabling copyright theft until an algorithmic identification of sameness is invented.
You guys are clueless as to Zcash not being able to succeed with a 11% block subsidy. Ripple premined 100% of their coin and they are doing quite well, Dash did too. Bitcoin was effectively "instamined" by early adopters. There is no way to fairly distribute any cryptocurrency. Then again, this being "fatal flaw" is being brought up by someone that insist they should include a backdoor for the government, so I will take anything you say about their business plan (and the fact that yours is so much better) with a grain of salt.
Yeah that idiot TPTB thinks every anonymous coin should have a viewkey, but you are correct that Monero should be shunned because it enables auditing!
Mega Kim.Com is our hero! He is a marketing genius (who studied under Charles Ponzi's mastery of manipulating human psychology) cleverly amasses $100 million by charging us small commissions to provide Bittorrent links so we can steal all the content we love (from our beloved artists or from Hollywood) and be free of the censorship that we can't otherwise post to our blog for free access to readers.
Yeah we love Hollywood's content because we love a model of interaction wherein we are dumb zombies who do not create content but sit in front of the TV. Because long live TV and the model of non-interaction as content!
Yeah you are so smart and TPTB is so dumb. Thank you immensely for leading your generation to the truth. Amen.
And he will not also admit the following is why he incorrect about stealing content.
Governments are organizing now around controlling the internet. The illegal activity through Bittorrent (which also steals from ISPs which have higher upload bandwidth allowances) is helping the governments feel they are justified in regulating the internet via Net Neutrality and other measures. You young fellow feel free to pursue theft of music and other content which deprives the millions of artists of income to pay their rent. You are not going to create the new Knowledge Economy with your theft model. And by advocating theft, you are helping the NWO totalitarianism to take form by providing an economic incentive and political support from millions of artists who are violated by piracy. Dumb. But I expect that from you.
Governments are organizing now around controlling the internet. The illegal activity through Bittorrent (which also steals from ISPs which have higher upload bandwidth allowances) is helping the governments feel they are justified in regulating the internet via Net Neutrality and other measures. You young fellow feel free to pursue theft of music and other content which deprives the millions of artists of income to pay their rent. You are not going to create the new Knowledge Economy with your theft model. And by advocating theft, you are helping the NWO totalitarianism to take form by providing an economic incentive and political support from millions of artists who are violated by piracy. Dumb. But I expect that from you.
I didn't have time to go over this earlier, but you are using a straw man argument here. My point in bringing up Bittorrent is that decentralized technologies exist that the government cannot shut down. I was not condoning or promoting Bittorrent's copyright infringement, but rather admiring the technology behind it. You said that anything that broke laws or regulations would be shut down by the government, even if it is built on decentralized technology, and I was pointing out that is not necessarily the case.
Yeah let's move the goalposts and nobody will notice. That is just a little secret between you and I.
Yeah the word 'decentralization' is always correct, even when the concept of decentralized file storage has the inviolable issue of enabling copyright theft until an algorithmic identification of sameness is invented.
You guys are clueless as to Zcash not being able to succeed with a 11% block subsidy. Ripple premined 100% of their coin and they are doing quite well, Dash did too. Bitcoin was effectively "instamined" by early adopters. There is no way to fairly distribute any cryptocurrency. Then again, this being "fatal flaw" is being brought up by someone that insist they should include a backdoor for the government, so I will take anything you say about their business plan (and the fact that yours is so much better) with a grain of salt.
Yeah that idiot TPTB thinks every anonymous coin should have a viewkey, but you are correct that Monero should be shunned because it enables auditing!
Mega Kim.Com is our hero! He is a marketing genius (who studied under Charles Ponzi's mastery of manipulating human psychology) cleverly amasses $100 million by charging us small commissions to provide Bittorrent links so we can steal all the content we love (from our beloved artists or from Hollywood) and be free of the censorship that we can't otherwise post to our blog for free access to readers.
Yeah we love Hollywood's content because we love a model of interaction wherein we are dumb zombies who do not create content but sit in front of the TV. Because long live TV and the model of non-interaction as content!
Yeah you are so smart and TPTB is so dumb. Thank you immensely for leading your generation to the truth. Amen.
And he will not also admit the following is why he incorrect about stealing content.
Governments are organizing now around controlling the internet. The illegal activity through Bittorrent (which also steals from ISPs which have higher upload bandwidth allowances) is helping the governments feel they are justified in regulating the internet via Net Neutrality and other measures. You young fellow feel free to pursue theft of music and other content which deprives the millions of artists of income to pay their rent. You are not going to create the new Knowledge Economy with your theft model. And by advocating theft, you are helping the NWO totalitarianism to take form by providing an economic incentive and political support from millions of artists who are violated by piracy. Dumb. But I expect that from you.
Governments are organizing now around controlling the internet. The illegal activity through Bittorrent (which also steals from ISPs which have higher upload bandwidth allowances) is helping the governments feel they are justified in regulating the internet via Net Neutrality and other measures. You young fellow feel free to pursue theft of music and other content which deprives the millions of artists of income to pay their rent. You are not going to create the new Knowledge Economy with your theft model. And by advocating theft, you are helping the NWO totalitarianism to take form by providing an economic incentive and political support from millions of artists who are violated by piracy. Dumb. But I expect that from you.
I didn't have time to go over this earlier, but you are using a straw man argument here. My point in bringing up Bittorrent is that decentralized technologies exist that the government cannot shut down. I was not condoning or promoting Bittorrent's copyright infringement, but rather admiring the technology behind it. You said that anything that broke laws or regulations would be shut down by the government, even if it is built on decentralized technology, and I was pointing out that is not necessarily the case.
Yeah let's move the goalposts and nobody will notice. That is just a little secret between you and I.
Yeah the word 'decentralization' is always correct, even when the concept of decentralized file storage has the inviolable issue of enabling copyright theft until an algorithmic identification of sameness is invented.
I wish CoinHoarder appreciated the work that developers do and how pedantic it is.
I actually do appreciate developers, but you are not a developer. Your main job is to spread FUD about other cryptocurrencies. You don't even have a dog in the fight, you just want to watch everything burn to the ground. You push your vaporware "solutions", that hardly anyone has peer reviewed because no one has time to read the million words you post a day. Your discourse amounts to FUD because you assume that an open-sourced cryptocurrency cannot update its code base to fix whatever flaws may exist.
Bitcoin has gone through 100s of iterations to get to where it is today. But no, if you find one little thing the coin is a "dead end", "fatally flawed", or a "scam".... and you spam that opinion across every thread. Hence your temporary ban the other day for spamming the same thing on multiple threads (your big red font "Ethereum is fatally flawed" message.) Even the greatest masterpiece could be described as flawed if one focuses purely on the flaws like you do.
Then you condemn us for "mining the speculators" while at the same time "mining the speculators" yourself (assuming you actually release anything at all.) First you discredit everyone else and all existing cryptocurrencies, then you release your own cryptocurrency to "mine the speculators". You are a hypocrite in the making. This holier than thou attitude is repugnant. You are an idiot for not being able to figure out why people dislike you. Then you cry that I am "attempting character assassination" as if you are not one of the most repulsive human beings to ever troll these forums.
So then CoinHoarder gets angry at me for having formed an opinion over the past 3 years of the way those guys think and make choices.
You are the one bringing up Bitshares. I actually do not currently own any Bitshares at the moment. More straw men arguments from you. Your posts are filled with so many of them that it makes it very tedious for anyone to rebut. Someone would have to dedicate their entire life to defending your FUD and straw men arguments.I understand he is upset at me because I don't have a high opinion of Bitshares (and on that point I will be vindicated once again ... so he can fight all he wants but it won't help him because I can already see the traits of Dan & Stan Larimer ... and he resents that I could have any following on the forum because I do make such a judgement on the Bitshare's Brothers ahem I mean Father & Son ... smart guys, apparently prolific coders ... but incorrect conceptualization of technological uses and markets).
More BS that has nothing to do with anything I've posted in this thread. n00bs like you love to bring up Bitshares when "debating" random topics with me that are completely unrelated to Bitshares. More straw men arguments from the straw men king.Yeah bro we are mad as hell and we ain't gunna take it any m00r.
I am witch you on dis. Let's the three 0f us release 0ur frustrations in the backseat 0f stoat's Pint0 this c0ming Friday.
One last time, before you go on permanent ignore...
You don't understand that Zook (the CEO) explained to me at his AMA that there is no viewkey:
Ignore me instead of admitting you are wrong about the viewkey. Or, maybe you are too stupid to realize you are wrong. Either way, you will find out eventually and feel like an idiot. The CEO of electric coin company stated there would be a view key in his AMA... an AMA in which you participated. Maybe you should practice reading comprehension.
You don't understand that Zook (the CEO) explained to me at his AMA that there is no viewkey:
Quote from: https://forum.bitcoin.com/post16237.html#p16261
In Zcash, the creator of each individual transaction gets complete control over who can view the contents of the transaction. This is accomplished by each transaction being individually encrypted by an encryption key known only to the creator and the recipient.
There is no other mechanism by which any party can gain the ability to view the contents of transactions other than getting the decryption key from the creator or the recipient of the transaction, or from someone else who has previously received the decryption key. This is a simple, implementable, secure, and understandable mechanism for controlling who can see what. We call it "selective transparency".
Does that answer your question?
There is no other mechanism by which any party can gain the ability to view the contents of transactions other than getting the decryption key from the creator or the recipient of the transaction, or from someone else who has previously received the decryption key. This is a simple, implementable, secure, and understandable mechanism for controlling who can see what. We call it "selective transparency".
Does that answer your question?
You are either an idiot that lacks reading comprehension, or you areally bacracking in an atempt to avoid admitting that you were wrong by alluding that you were talking about a global viewkey (or backdoor.)
He clearly states several times that there is a view key per transaction, but not a global view key or back door. So I don't know why you keep saying therw is no viewkey, because there very clearly is.
If you really were using the term viewkey, as in them including a backdoor, then they have stated multiple times there will be none (and is a misuse of the word viewkey by the way and no one would know what exactly you were or are referencing.)
You are an even bigger idiot for suggesting they include a backdoor, effectively dealing a death blow to their company before it even gets started. For someone with as much business acumen as you claim, you are showing no to little business sense.
I know you will claim that the government will shut it down if they don't include a back door, but luckily not everyone is as willing to bend over for the government like you. It is fine if you want to be a pansy and give into the government's violations of human rights, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
A payer's decryption key which compromises the recipient (because the power to reveal the recipient also rests with the payer) is not a viewkey in the sense of Cryptonote's correct implementation of viewkey. Either one or the other should be able to reveal, but not both because otherwise the implication is that no payer and no payee is ever in control of their viewings. Perhaps more importantly, it is not clear if the Zcash decryption key provides sufficient (or too much) information, because note with the Cryptonote viewkey all payments to that same address can be linked. It is possible that Zcash already implements a viewkey correctly and Zooko's articulation is misleading. That is why I emphasized they need a viewkey. Perhaps a per-transaction viewkey is sufficient and also provides more resistance against tyranny than a global viewkey or Cryptonote's viewkey with links multiple transactions. But I am not omniscient so I have mentioned both variants. Frankly I haven't yet had a spare moment to think about how Zcash's decryption key relates to Cryptonote's viewkey and the implications of the differences. That is why I have kept my statements general that they need a viewkey, what ever that ends up being contingent on full analysis of the implications.
But its quite understandable why a n00b like you would not recognize the distinction without being told so and would instead sling his character assassination mud all over the thread. I didn't start this animosity. You did. And you refuse to stop even after I tried to be cordial with you. Enjoy your Dunning-Kruger self-fucking fest.
ethereum is looking more and more like the futureproof safeinterlocking bet.
We passi0nately l0ve smokin' the ether br0. Remember last time in the back seat of y0ur Pint0. Cramped but feels s00 tight s00 g00d. Our futurepr00f reuni0n is appr0aching.
Damn the (PTB) facts. Buy the dips!
http://oi64.tinypic.com/aetf0k.jpg
People who have nosy wives will figure out anonymity. 
They already have. That is why they don't tell their wives their secret BTC address(es). It logically follows that the entities that have a sufficient economic incentive for block chain mixing will also inspect the technology with a fine tooth comb. Again I don't care, because I only care what speculators will throw their lunch money at.
And as soon as divorce attorneys realize that they can inspect the Bitcoin blockchain with technologies already at hand and make correlations to mistresses, prostitutes and camgirls, that dog and pony show of anonymity will be at an end. We both placed a bet on which way this will turn, so either we are both proved correct, wrong or one of us is on the wrong side of it. It's not a big deal--though given your stance, I wonder why you even follow this debate?
That is when they try using Cryptonote and it fails (even once per 1000 spends) due to their fumbling of meta data, so these mere mortals give up and pay in gold, gifts such as jewelry, or cash (if it is still available). Business can spawn which pretend to sell computer software but really ship jewelry. "Oh honey, that was some software for my business". Humans are very ingenuous and prefer to use methods they understand because they can't trust what they don't understand.
Or they learn how to handle their meta data and using decentralized exchanges to launder money in which case they do not need Cryptonote.
Or something more robust to meta data arrives.
And yeah I don't care in terms of my speculative investing here. I care if I am considering a long-term investment, and so far nothing qualifies per my analysis but to each his own.
...but when a clear prediction is made (even if it is for free on the blog)...
How many times has he stated TIME and PRICE are orthogonal. He has never given a clear short-term trading prediction in the blog. He has always stated that the long-term is much easier to predict than the short-term.
Trading is noisy. It is also dependent on each trader's diversification (trading is never absolute to one trade!). He does offer a platform to enter your entire personalized portfolio that he claims will improve your personalized odds, but it is not free and it is not applicable to everyone in a broadcast format of a blog since everyone is not a personalized analysis. I have no idea how it performs and neither does anyone writing here.
Also remember MA's analysis is relative to international value, not the nominal domestic value, e.g. real estate prices in dollars are not his real estate model. He had a post on that recently that showed real estate would bounce from 2007 to 2012 before resuming the decline, but again that is international valuation not domestic.
Please before you slander someone, at least understand what he has written.
People who have nosy wives will figure out anonymity.
They already have. That is why they don't tell their wives their secret BTC address(es). It logically follows that the entities that have a sufficient economic incentive for block chain mixing will also inspect the technology with a fine tooth comb. Again I don't care, because I only care what speculators will throw their lunch money at.
My point (and you missed it) is that people, when they find out the use of a thing, don't need to understand it--they just need to know what it does, and if you would chose a soda machine over https or solid cryptography, while knowing what they do, then you would be a dumbass. Dash's cryptography is flawed, so comparisons to Microsoft are ridiculous.
So what you really said logically is that the only people who will buy anonymity are those who understand and trust how it works. Or speculators who are speculating on speculators.
That is why the market for privacy will be the serious users who have the resources and motivation to understand the technology.
Soda machines do not address that serious user target market. Does Cryptonote? Seems there is a loony tune over at Reddit who thinks not. As for myself, I am sticking with the more certain target market of lunch allowance speculators. The wise here seem to have also come to that same conclusion.
Fred have you ever considered that giving away (short-term) trading information for free makes the information worthless. I let you figure out why. Consider it a homework assignment. And it isn't the obviously incorrect reason that everyone will try to make the same trade. The reason is more subtle than that. A hint is that, "is every trade a winner for everyone" (a universe with an entropy of 0).
The Bible says, "Don't throw your pearls at swine".
The Bible says, "Don't throw your pearls at swine".
Long ting. Looks like tptb needs war has copied my username.
And is now writing passive aggressive posts against ethereum.
Grow up you silly senior citizen.
And is now writing passive aggressive posts against ethereum.
Grow up you silly senior citizen.
Hey br0 why the hate against 0ur mutual dev0ti0n to ether. It's smokin'. I am bullish** 0n Ethereum. Buy the dips!
TPTB is a l00n who habitually insults the f0rum and deserves the spanking we c0llectively rendered.
What is this thread about? It is really about the relative value of facts based upon scientific evidence vs marketing baloney. This applies equally to beverages as to crypto currencies
Unfortunately
"To da moon or bust with my lunch allowance", is my motto.
By the way, user adoption won't be coming to any of these altcoins in any of the ways that are currently being contemplated. Not by soda machines, ATMs, anonymity features, nor airdrops. Synereo has an interesting idea but there are more questions than answers at least in my mind. But again, we are not here to answer these questions. We are here to speculate on lunch allowance speculators.
Interesting post and is MA advertising for programmers?
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/42663
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/42663
He asks for OOP experience. OOP (subclassing) is an anti-pattern and will create brittle, non-composition, non-extensible code. I could give you a link to a detailed explanation, but I do not feel like digging for it.
So when I saw that, I realize MA is not as highly knowledgeable of a programmer as he thinks he is. A programmer not using or at least acknowledging the superiority of functional programming is lacking complete knowledge of the research in type theory and on Wadler's Expression Problem.
Zika virus is a poor pandemic candidate. Its a potential nightmare for women in some areas who are planning to conceive but in everyone else it appears to mostly cause a self limited infection. It is a blood born pathogen that requires mosquitoes to spread.
The bubonic plague was a bacterial infection spread by fleas and rats.
The developing world can't avoid mosquitos, because their bamboo or wooden homes have cracks in the walls.
A global pandemic would wreck India and China. They wouldn't be bouncing back in 2020 if that happened...
If it preyed on the elderly as some variants of Influenza appear to do, then it might help solve China's impending age demographics imbalance.
Buying and selling Ethereum is like smoking the sweet, sweet crack rock. I don't even know what an ETH is, but I can't stop getting returns on it.
Exactly bro! That is what I've been saying to y'all. It doesn't matter AnnoyMint's drivel "fundamentals". It only matters that we going to da moon because slogans rule and "it has scripting so it can do everything".
Buy the dips!
Just holding on 40% gains and its just not good enough for. I'm have a sickness.
Seems I wasn't entirely clear. In preparation for any waterfall collapse, open thy palm facing upwards and allowing the falling knife to impale it to the top of your computer desk.
So as to remove any possibility of bailing out before we inevitably reach da moon.
Can anyone trust this MA when his predictions are always changing 
Appears that MA has changed the predicted top of the dollar and US stock markets to beyond 2017, if the pre-slingshot selloff is confirmed this March. A March panic apparently is his targeted gold low.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/42678
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/41708
So if true, one could envision the possibility of this portending complete dominance of globe finance by the USA with its FATCA and other capital controls moving to increased enforcement mode in 2017. One could envision this exacerbating any collapse of the global economy, thus paving the way for China to lead if it bottoms 2020 as predicted by MA.
MA is predicting that everything that can go wrong will go wrong between 2017 to 2020, including a possible pandemic.
Appears that MA has changed the predicted top of the dollar and US stock markets to beyond 2017, if the pre-slingshot selloff is confirmed this March. A March panic apparently is his targeted gold low.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/42678
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/41708
So if true, one could envision the possibility of this portending complete dominance of globe finance by the USA with its FATCA and other capital controls moving to increased enforcement mode in 2017. One could envision this exacerbating any collapse of the global economy, thus paving the way for China to lead if it bottoms 2020 as predicted by MA.
MA is predicting that everything that can go wrong will go wrong between 2017 to 2020, including a possible pandemic.
Quote from: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/42199
I have warned that we are entering a period that is summed up best as the Age of Whatever Can Go Wrong, Will Go Wrong.
Others have tried and failed. The only compelling reason for a forum about crypto assets, is the get-rich-quick with lunch money scheme.
The number of people interested in serious technical and legal jargon is quite small.
Those who are very serious and capable, won't be sharing with a public group. Example Steve Jobs.
The number of people interested in serious technical and legal jargon is quite small.
Those who are very serious and capable, won't be sharing with a public group. Example Steve Jobs.
This doesn't sound like such a big problem until the recipient's wallet gets seized by some authority and all his payers are revealed to them.
Hmmm. If the block chain is entirely amorphous then one would need to seize all recipient wallets to rebuild the structure of the block chain.
Damn the
So basically jl777's SuperNET but hoping to entice more participation from more serious developers, and covering areas he has been weak in such as writing specifications, legal structure, etc..
So then you can invite AnnoyMint over there so it doesn't pesker us with your endless gyrations of technical spam. We here are interested in speculative pumps. We are not interested in all those unpolished details. Bring us the product when it has a good slogan is ready for us topumpchaching. Altcoins are not heirlooms. We are not here for long-term investments.
I doubt it will have traction though if you can't make it also a speculative get-rich-quick scheme. Very few here are interested in slogging though endless technical and legal jargon. We are here to get-rich-quick with our lunch money. The fun is that this is game of chance, hope, and a healthy dose of aversion to needless "fundamentals".
So then you can invite AnnoyMint over there so it doesn't pesker us with your endless gyrations of technical spam. We here are interested in speculative pumps. We are not interested in all those unpolished details. Bring us the product when it has a good slogan is ready for us to
I doubt it will have traction though if you can't make it also a speculative get-rich-quick scheme. Very few here are interested in slogging though endless technical and legal jargon. We are here to get-rich-quick with our lunch money. The fun is that this is game of chance, hope, and a healthy dose of aversion to needless "fundamentals".
i would rather live in shelbyville than springfield
You do realize that the real name of AnnoyingMint who has been attacking your beloved Dash, is Shelby Moore. I discovered that by clicking the AnonyMint link in TPTB_need_war's signature line.
I've been doing some research on AnonyMint's posts, and he mentioned he is descended from Isaac Shelby, which Wikipedia cites Shelbyville, TN is named in honor of.
Buying and selling Ethereum is like smoking the sweet, sweet crack rock. I don't even know what an ETH is, but I can't stop getting returns on it.
Exactly bro! That is what I've been saying to y'all. It doesn't matter AnnoyMint's drivel "fundamentals". It only matters that we going to da moon because slogans rule and "it has scripting so it can do everything".
Buy the dips!