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Thanks for the reply! I finally got an email with the application to sign up as a creditor --- yesterday!
Is there any info on the status of Greene? I take it he is still imprisoned for rape?
I'm hoping that the creditors are people who owned other BTC at the time and who now have
the means to keep tabs on Greene and pursue charges and coin recovery once he gets out. We're talking
about a large value, it seems there is clear evidence he took the coins.
Is there a statue of limitations that applies here?
Have the police monitored his communications with the outside world, or has he been allowed to,
say, send private messages with blockchain addresses which could allow others to move the 4K BTC
elsewhere?
Let's keep this issue alive, this is not someone who should be allowed to walk free with no liability for
a quarter Billion $ worth of stolen currency ...
Is there any info on the status of Greene? I take it he is still imprisoned for rape?
I'm hoping that the creditors are people who owned other BTC at the time and who now have
the means to keep tabs on Greene and pursue charges and coin recovery once he gets out. We're talking
about a large value, it seems there is clear evidence he took the coins.
Is there a statue of limitations that applies here?
Have the police monitored his communications with the outside world, or has he been allowed to,
say, send private messages with blockchain addresses which could allow others to move the 4K BTC
elsewhere?
Let's keep this issue alive, this is not someone who should be allowed to walk free with no liability for
a quarter Billion $ worth of stolen currency ...
Does anyone have any updates on this saga?
The story seems to have gone dark after Kennedy was imprisoned for rape,
but the coins he stole are now worth almost $250 Million USD and he is still potentially liable for the theft.
I'd like to hear from anyone who knows what is going on; I've emailed the various law enforcement contacts
found listed in the threads over the years, to no avail.
Thanks for any info, I'm willing to offer a nice bounty to get my coins back!
INFO:
If you have missing funds from the recent Mintpal / Moolah debacle, please report it here. And if you want to, say how many are missing. Then if you have any luck getting missing coins back, please share too.
The goal of this thread is to provide a place where people can share info on the Mintpal situation openly and without censorship or filtering so we can build an accurate picture of what's really happening.
If we can get enough information and people together, we can get a criminal investigation started to see what really happened and maybe recoup funds.
Please repost this thread, first we need information as to what the picture is on how many coins have gone missing.
NOTE: Coins need to be 'left on an exchange' in orders so you can buy/sell coins or there wouldn't be any liquidity, and for users with high trade volume this can be a lot, there is no blame in this. Even people who take precautions loose coins when exchanges go bad, implying all users are careless when they have money stolen doesn't help anybody.
REPORTING GUIDELINES:
Update: I am not updating the figures right now as too hard to match any returned funds to previous reports that they were missing, but please keep reporting so the missing funds are documented in the thread and the information is on record.
Some alts have been returned but BTC still missing, and many people still have zero balances, can't withdraw or can't login, and as usual support tickets are being completely ignored by Moolah and they won't provide any actual details on the real situation.
Once we know whether Green is going to return the missing BTC, I will start generating the report on that so we can do a final tally of what is missing.
Thanks
MISSING COINS REPORT #1:
(From when Mintpal V2 was taken offline due to 'critical bug')
# USERS REPORTING: 97 out of 70,000
TOTAL MISSING (IN BTC) 412.89 BTC
MISSING BY COIN:
BTC 167.28
DRK 4,501
XMR 8,681
KARM 306,286,000
TES 107,532
EMC2 250,000
DOGE 4,305,000
CINNI 119,796
UTC 29,629
WC 961,322
SYS 99,250
CLOAK 6,600
FLT 4,181,584
BC 31,600
ENRG 1,501,000
MYR 5,407,000
USDE 180,000
PND 76,950,000
LTC 33
FAIR 25,000
ARI 792,679
SAT2 12,000
CAIX 9,159
MIN 9,600
CRYPT 1,000
VRC 10,432
XC 5,052
SDC 150
UNO 255
HIRO 3,356,699
MZC 1,300,000
SUPER 30,000
The story seems to have gone dark after Kennedy was imprisoned for rape,
but the coins he stole are now worth almost $250 Million USD and he is still potentially liable for the theft.
I'd like to hear from anyone who knows what is going on; I've emailed the various law enforcement contacts
found listed in the threads over the years, to no avail.
Thanks for any info, I'm willing to offer a nice bounty to get my coins back!
Moolah Scam on Mintpal and Missing Funds
Moolah CEO & Mintpal V2 scammer: Ryan Kennedy aka Alex Green
SysCoin claim: Kennedy Arrested
Info on claims to the liquidator...
Contact @ Avon & Somerset Police...
VICE: The guy who ruined Dogecoin
Moolah in court: Day Zero
Mintpal owner Ferdous Bhai speaks
MintpalJustice.com
...starting legal action against Moolah CEO
...Green aka Ryan Gentle still has 4000 BTC and $ from another 1500 BTC
...removed ~3,900 BTC from Mintpal V1's cold wallet
...Cashing out via Natwest bank account
...Identity theft of 'Alex Green' alias
...Chances of getting BTC back 'very likely'
...Donate legal fees for Mintpal's takedown of Ryan Gentle (verified)
...More on helping Mintpal to regain control to return BTC
DOGE Creator Ben Doernberg: The Moolah Story
...Exposing scam artist Ryan Gentle aka Alex Green
...analysis: Trail of DOGES
Former Moo employee Eoghan Hayes tells all
...3700 BTC 'lodged into a personal account of Ryan Kennedy'
...Questions Bankruptcy after 750 BTC MoolahPIE fundraiser
...SYSCoin team 'missing approximately 750 BTC'
...Green 'in complete control of the Mintpal system'
...Fires Staff
...CCN article
Moo COO Landon Merrill: 'no evidence of any wrongdoing by Moolah at this time'
...Claims 'no involvement in Mintpal'
...Became Moo's 'Public Face' so that Green could remain 'more anonymous'
...Evades questions, had 'some concerns about a few things'
Moo CEO Alex Green aka Ryan Kennedy Responds
...Denies 'vast majority' of allegations, claims name 'legally changed'
...Claims Moo core platform 'bleeding funds' due to 'bug'
...Claims 'large amounts of capital went missing', announced bankruptcy, VC rescue then 'pulled out' due to 'PR backlash'
...Confirms vol. liquidation, claims Moo already 'running out of reserves', full details in 'very near future'
...'shocked and upset'...'no criminal wrongdoing'
...Mintpal withdrawals will 'continue to be processed until all wallets are depleted'
Tracking the stolen funds!
Green emptied Mintpal V1 BTC Cold Wallet...
Green selling the BTC on LocalBitcoins...
Selling cheap on Ebay?
Chris Ellis: Crowd sourced investigation into Mintpal/Moolah using Github and the Blockchain
...More from the Blockchain
...Details
...Funds tracked to BitStamp? Update: Bitstamp say not their address.
Moolah CEO & Mintpal V2 scammer: Ryan Kennedy aka Alex Green
SysCoin claim: Kennedy Arrested
Info on claims to the liquidator...
Contact @ Avon & Somerset Police...
VICE: The guy who ruined Dogecoin
Moolah in court: Day Zero
Mintpal owner Ferdous Bhai speaks
MintpalJustice.com
...starting legal action against Moolah CEO
...Green aka Ryan Gentle still has 4000 BTC and $ from another 1500 BTC
...removed ~3,900 BTC from Mintpal V1's cold wallet
...Cashing out via Natwest bank account
...Identity theft of 'Alex Green' alias
...Chances of getting BTC back 'very likely'
...Donate legal fees for Mintpal's takedown of Ryan Gentle (verified)
...More on helping Mintpal to regain control to return BTC
DOGE Creator Ben Doernberg: The Moolah Story
...Exposing scam artist Ryan Gentle aka Alex Green
...analysis: Trail of DOGES
Former Moo employee Eoghan Hayes tells all
...3700 BTC 'lodged into a personal account of Ryan Kennedy'
...Questions Bankruptcy after 750 BTC MoolahPIE fundraiser
...SYSCoin team 'missing approximately 750 BTC'
...Green 'in complete control of the Mintpal system'
...Fires Staff
...CCN article
Moo COO Landon Merrill: 'no evidence of any wrongdoing by Moolah at this time'
...Claims 'no involvement in Mintpal'
...Became Moo's 'Public Face' so that Green could remain 'more anonymous'
...Evades questions, had 'some concerns about a few things'
Moo CEO Alex Green aka Ryan Kennedy Responds
...Denies 'vast majority' of allegations, claims name 'legally changed'
...Claims Moo core platform 'bleeding funds' due to 'bug'
...Claims 'large amounts of capital went missing', announced bankruptcy, VC rescue then 'pulled out' due to 'PR backlash'
...Confirms vol. liquidation, claims Moo already 'running out of reserves', full details in 'very near future'
...'shocked and upset'...'no criminal wrongdoing'
...Mintpal withdrawals will 'continue to be processed until all wallets are depleted'
Tracking the stolen funds!
Green emptied Mintpal V1 BTC Cold Wallet...
Green selling the BTC on LocalBitcoins...
Selling cheap on Ebay?
Chris Ellis: Crowd sourced investigation into Mintpal/Moolah using Github and the Blockchain
...More from the Blockchain
...Details
...Funds tracked to BitStamp? Update: Bitstamp say not their address.
INFO:
If you have missing funds from the recent Mintpal / Moolah debacle, please report it here. And if you want to, say how many are missing. Then if you have any luck getting missing coins back, please share too.
The goal of this thread is to provide a place where people can share info on the Mintpal situation openly and without censorship or filtering so we can build an accurate picture of what's really happening.
If we can get enough information and people together, we can get a criminal investigation started to see what really happened and maybe recoup funds.
Please repost this thread, first we need information as to what the picture is on how many coins have gone missing.
NOTE: Coins need to be 'left on an exchange' in orders so you can buy/sell coins or there wouldn't be any liquidity, and for users with high trade volume this can be a lot, there is no blame in this. Even people who take precautions loose coins when exchanges go bad, implying all users are careless when they have money stolen doesn't help anybody.
REPORTING GUIDELINES:
Update: I am not updating the figures right now as too hard to match any returned funds to previous reports that they were missing, but please keep reporting so the missing funds are documented in the thread and the information is on record.
Some alts have been returned but BTC still missing, and many people still have zero balances, can't withdraw or can't login, and as usual support tickets are being completely ignored by Moolah and they won't provide any actual details on the real situation.
Once we know whether Green is going to return the missing BTC, I will start generating the report on that so we can do a final tally of what is missing.
Thanks
MISSING COINS REPORT #1:
(From when Mintpal V2 was taken offline due to 'critical bug')
# USERS REPORTING: 97 out of 70,000
TOTAL MISSING (IN BTC) 412.89 BTC
MISSING BY COIN:
BTC 167.28
DRK 4,501
XMR 8,681
KARM 306,286,000
TES 107,532
EMC2 250,000
DOGE 4,305,000
CINNI 119,796
UTC 29,629
WC 961,322
SYS 99,250
CLOAK 6,600
FLT 4,181,584
BC 31,600
ENRG 1,501,000
MYR 5,407,000
USDE 180,000
PND 76,950,000
LTC 33
FAIR 25,000
ARI 792,679
SAT2 12,000
CAIX 9,159
MIN 9,600
CRYPT 1,000
VRC 10,432
XC 5,052
SDC 150
UNO 255
HIRO 3,356,699
MZC 1,300,000
SUPER 30,000
What is the contact information for the bitcoinica liquidator?
I've never heard from them, but did recently get an email from Fortress asking about my bitcoinica positions.. which means someone knows about my account.
Anyway, just looking for the best way to catch up on bitcoinica and mintpal, if anyone knows about that recovery as well.
thanks
I've never heard from them, but did recently get an email from Fortress asking about my bitcoinica positions.. which means someone knows about my account.
Anyway, just looking for the best way to catch up on bitcoinica and mintpal, if anyone knows about that recovery as well.
thanks
Same reasons so many others did. And coinbase was different back then.
Does anyone know whether coinbase is sending out notifications of any sort to the targeted users, to let
them know they're on the IRS list?
Does anyone know whether coinbase is sending out notifications of any sort to the targeted users, to let
them know they're on the IRS list?
OK, I guess I'm not explaining this well.
Filing can be a nightmare.
For starters, coinbase closes user accounts with no warning or explanation, and they have no phone number or email
to respond to non-customers or ex-customers. So many haven't even been able to get their own records in order to file.
Filing can be a nightmare.
For starters, coinbase closes user accounts with no warning or explanation, and they have no phone number or email
to respond to non-customers or ex-customers. So many haven't even been able to get their own records in order to file.
My point isn't about trying to avoid taxes or to prevent coinbase from reporting on their users,
It's about helping the users who could now be facing audits where the IRS rules don't begin to fit how people actually use cryptocurrencies, users unable to comply with IRS or to afford to hire help, an IRS eager to make examples of non-compliant bitcoiners.
We are still in a time of wild experimentation and speculation. For example many were:
-trying to live/travel by spending BTC in many small sums
-building bitcoin inventions like ATMs, arb bots, apps
-speculating on various alt coins that disappeared
-lost large sums to mtgox, mintpal, thefts, etc.
So my guess is many others lost money, not just bought and held BTC at coinbase ... and are unable to document much.
There are few tax lawyers claiming to specialize in this and they charge crazy fees since they expect bitcoiners to be rich.
If each coinbase user has to seek out such expertise, many could be broken while the lawyers benefit.
IMO it would be much better to have some kind of common expertise available for the affected class - a 'coinbase victims fund'.
And it's not just for the benefit of the first batch of IRS targets. The IRS will use their chainalysis software to trace out the counterparty graph and expand their expedition beyond the coinbase records, we can be certain of that. This effort will ramp up, expand, and will impact a much larger crypto-user community. How the first targets fare will set the precedent.
It's about helping the users who could now be facing audits where the IRS rules don't begin to fit how people actually use cryptocurrencies, users unable to comply with IRS or to afford to hire help, an IRS eager to make examples of non-compliant bitcoiners.
We are still in a time of wild experimentation and speculation. For example many were:
-trying to live/travel by spending BTC in many small sums
-building bitcoin inventions like ATMs, arb bots, apps
-speculating on various alt coins that disappeared
-lost large sums to mtgox, mintpal, thefts, etc.
So my guess is many others lost money, not just bought and held BTC at coinbase ... and are unable to document much.
There are few tax lawyers claiming to specialize in this and they charge crazy fees since they expect bitcoiners to be rich.
If each coinbase user has to seek out such expertise, many could be broken while the lawyers benefit.
IMO it would be much better to have some kind of common expertise available for the affected class - a 'coinbase victims fund'.
And it's not just for the benefit of the first batch of IRS targets. The IRS will use their chainalysis software to trace out the counterparty graph and expand their expedition beyond the coinbase records, we can be certain of that. This effort will ramp up, expand, and will impact a much larger crypto-user community. How the first targets fare will set the precedent.
Has anyone seen anything in the way of a resource to help those coinbase users impacted by the IRS lawsuit?
The way this first bunch of bitcoiners is treated by the IRS will set a huge precedent for everyone else down the road.
Especially those of us who have net losses but a hard time documenting all the other craziness, hacks, scams, and so on that occurred during those years.
Seems like it would be in the interest of the community as a whole to have some solid legal expertise available to prevent
a possible fishing expedition by the IRS from wrecking lives, requiring costly and time-consuming analysis efforts.
bitcoin users do many things with the currency that don't fit the model currently stipulated by the IRS for taxation - seems like lots of new legal territory here.
Perhaps Coinbase themselves could step forward and create some kind of tax help resource for those customers they promised to protect?
The way this first bunch of bitcoiners is treated by the IRS will set a huge precedent for everyone else down the road.
Especially those of us who have net losses but a hard time documenting all the other craziness, hacks, scams, and so on that occurred during those years.
Seems like it would be in the interest of the community as a whole to have some solid legal expertise available to prevent
a possible fishing expedition by the IRS from wrecking lives, requiring costly and time-consuming analysis efforts.
bitcoin users do many things with the currency that don't fit the model currently stipulated by the IRS for taxation - seems like lots of new legal territory here.
Perhaps Coinbase themselves could step forward and create some kind of tax help resource for those customers they promised to protect?
so is the system long or short at this point?? from this chart it looks like the averages are dead even, not above or below, for over a week : http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSza1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zxzi1gMACDzv
what signals have been generated in the past 2 weeks?
what signals have been generated in the past 2 weeks?
What was the total number of clicks? If we're talking about just a handful, perhaps the result isn't statistically significant to begin with...
Also, which country accounted for the most clicks?
Also, which country accounted for the most clicks?
Just some more experience points to add to the history here:
1 requested $USD withdrawal Sept 4, periodically ask about its status, always get the 'slight delay' excuse email, sometimes they
mention the 5% fee for 'urgent' withdrawals.
2 subsequently reequested more $USD withdrawn, but once I realized it wasn't going to happen, cancelled that and saw my $USD balance restored within hours
As I understand, withdrawals to asian banks are still happening promptly? If so, what does it take to create a foreign bank account to receive the withdrawn funds (in yuan) ?
3: Made several BTC withdraw requests last night and got errors saying 'invalid btc address'... the addresses were valid though - when I tried the same one later, it succeeded.
5: Made BTC withdrawal at 10:30AM EST, it's still not received 11 hours later. Emailed support who just said to wait 24 hours.
6: Made 2 more BTC withdrawals just now, both completed within several minutes.
What I'd like at this point is to find something I can buy and sell, or at least overpay for.... for example, overpay a utility bill in BTC, but get the balance refunded as $USD. Has anyone found anything to purchase with BTC which can be resold or refunded at the same rate to USd?
1 requested $USD withdrawal Sept 4, periodically ask about its status, always get the 'slight delay' excuse email, sometimes they
mention the 5% fee for 'urgent' withdrawals.
2 subsequently reequested more $USD withdrawn, but once I realized it wasn't going to happen, cancelled that and saw my $USD balance restored within hours
As I understand, withdrawals to asian banks are still happening promptly? If so, what does it take to create a foreign bank account to receive the withdrawn funds (in yuan) ?
3: Made several BTC withdraw requests last night and got errors saying 'invalid btc address'... the addresses were valid though - when I tried the same one later, it succeeded.
5: Made BTC withdrawal at 10:30AM EST, it's still not received 11 hours later. Emailed support who just said to wait 24 hours.
6: Made 2 more BTC withdrawals just now, both completed within several minutes.
What I'd like at this point is to find something I can buy and sell, or at least overpay for.... for example, overpay a utility bill in BTC, but get the balance refunded as $USD. Has anyone found anything to purchase with BTC which can be resold or refunded at the same rate to USd?
So can we get updates each time you make trade as to what the actual price etc was?
As I read it, looks like there was a SELL signal on Oct 2-3 around 125 for about 25% profit, then another buy signal yesterday at about 141 -- is that correct?? MACD is also crossing up which would add confidence for me...
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg90za1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zxzi1gMACDzl
As I read it, looks like there was a SELL signal on Oct 2-3 around 125 for about 25% profit, then another buy signal yesterday at about 141 -- is that correct?? MACD is also crossing up which would add confidence for me...
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg90za1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zxzi1gMACDzl
Okay I'm following you now. So you never act on a signal until after a full 24 hour bar has posted, and then you just take the current price as the exit price?
I'd call that 'swing trading'; I'm using similar averages as well, with MACD sometimes for confirmation, to add size, or anticipate signals.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg90ztgSza1gEMAzm1g7za2gEMAzm2g20zxzi1gMACDzl
When I see these averages cross over it can happen during the day or during the night, and by the time I catch the signal the price can be 10+ points off from where it was when the averages crossed. Typically I'm more concerned about exiting long trades. For example if the crossover happens when price falls to 96 I'd rather take that exit than 8 hours later when it's already down to 86 by the time I notice the event.
It'd be nice to get a text alert or something as soon as the signal is detected, instead of waiting until I check the charts.... I think this would have saved me few points by timing better.
I'd call that 'swing trading'; I'm using similar averages as well, with MACD sometimes for confirmation, to add size, or anticipate signals.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg90ztgSza1gEMAzm1g7za2gEMAzm2g20zxzi1gMACDzl
When I see these averages cross over it can happen during the day or during the night, and by the time I catch the signal the price can be 10+ points off from where it was when the averages crossed. Typically I'm more concerned about exiting long trades. For example if the crossover happens when price falls to 96 I'd rather take that exit than 8 hours later when it's already down to 86 by the time I notice the event.
It'd be nice to get a text alert or something as soon as the signal is detected, instead of waiting until I check the charts.... I think this would have saved me few points by timing better.
are you saying you never hold overnight? I've been following EMA / MACD on 10-day timeframe as well as 2-month an am sometimes surprised by a 10-point overnight drop where I miss an exit... I'd think the ability to generate real time alerts would be key to trade these kind of signals given that the market is often active 'after hours' as Japan awakes, etc...
Goomboo, sorry If I missed this assuming it has been asked before:
How do you generate alerts on these crossover signals? I've been using EMA + MACD signals but often wake up to find that a new signal has been
generated overnight as I slept, and I either missed an entry or am now holding a position I should have exited...
thanks for any tips.
How do you generate alerts on these crossover signals? I've been using EMA + MACD signals but often wake up to find that a new signal has been
generated overnight as I slept, and I either missed an entry or am now holding a position I should have exited...
thanks for any tips.
Nothing will stimulate interest and confidence in bitcoin as an investment vehicle as the first successful exit from a bitcoin venture,
congrats EV!
Now it would be really nice if Erik would simply post as the batches are dispersed, and post when the shares are all done being distributed....
given the illiquid market at present, it sounds like a considerate thing to do. I plan to msg him with this request and perhaps others of you who are watching
the effect could do the same...
congrats EV!
Now it would be really nice if Erik would simply post as the batches are dispersed, and post when the shares are all done being distributed....
given the illiquid market at present, it sounds like a considerate thing to do. I plan to msg him with this request and perhaps others of you who are watching
the effect could do the same...
okay here's what I was looking for:
The actual payout begins in about 8 hours - so this selling cannot be profit-taking yet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2751536#msg2751536
The payouts will occur in 20 batches over a period of a few hours, starting 24 hours or so from the time of EVoorhees's post, around 11PM EST July 17th.
I see varous posts estimating the total BTC to be released from 155K to 320K, approximately. If it's about 200K, and about 20 batches of 10K BTC each -
there's lots more possible selling over the next few days. As a comparison, the volume spike causing today's drop from 96 to 86 took only about 24K BTC... we have about 10 times that amount about to be released into shareholders hands...
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg10zig2-hourztgTza1gEMAzm1g7za2gEMAzm2g20zxzi1gMACDzvzl
The actual payout begins in about 8 hours - so this selling cannot be profit-taking yet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2751536#msg2751536
The payouts will occur in 20 batches over a period of a few hours, starting 24 hours or so from the time of EVoorhees's post, around 11PM EST July 17th.
I see varous posts estimating the total BTC to be released from 155K to 320K, approximately. If it's about 200K, and about 20 batches of 10K BTC each -
there's lots more possible selling over the next few days. As a comparison, the volume spike causing today's drop from 96 to 86 took only about 24K BTC... we have about 10 times that amount about to be released into shareholders hands...
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg10zig2-hourztgTza1gEMAzm1g7za2gEMAzm2g20zxzi1gMACDzvzl
okay wave-heads, I'm not surfing.
The question is whether this AM's selloff was actual shares from the satoshidice payout or a closing of positions by several longs
in anticipation of the profit-taking to come. One factor is the volume - if we'd seen a sudden 120K shares dumped, that would be pretty clear.
I'm guessing that the news of the pending payout triggered selling - given the current lack of liquidity it doesn't take many BTC to make a 10-pt drop.
Also if the drop were caused by profit liquidation, why would it happen all at once like that? It seems more likely that the payouts would happen gradually simply due to processing time and perhaps to protect against a single dump. If those conjectures are correct, the real selling will happen in the coming days.
The question is whether this AM's selloff was actual shares from the satoshidice payout or a closing of positions by several longs
in anticipation of the profit-taking to come. One factor is the volume - if we'd seen a sudden 120K shares dumped, that would be pretty clear.
I'm guessing that the news of the pending payout triggered selling - given the current lack of liquidity it doesn't take many BTC to make a 10-pt drop.
Also if the drop were caused by profit liquidation, why would it happen all at once like that? It seems more likely that the payouts would happen gradually simply due to processing time and perhaps to protect against a single dump. If those conjectures are correct, the real selling will happen in the coming days.