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Hallo alle zusammen,
am 14. Juni organisieren wir Bitcoin Cash meetup für alle, die für die technischen sowie ökonomischen Aspekte von Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash und anderen Kryptowährungen sich interessieren. Kommt vorbei, mit uns zu plaudern, Beer/Wein zu trinken und Spaß zu haben.
Egal ob Neulinge oder Profis, BTC oder BCH Fans, alle sind herzlich willkommen! Wir respektieren und zuhören uns einander!
Wir treffen uns ab 18 Uhr draussen an den Bänken zwischen 'Spreelunke' bar und 'Pampa' pizza (Holzmarktstraße 25 · Berlin).
https://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-cash-Berlin-BCH/events/261137283/
unser telegram chat: https://t.me/bitcoinsberlin
Bis dann!
am 14. Juni organisieren wir Bitcoin Cash meetup für alle, die für die technischen sowie ökonomischen Aspekte von Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash und anderen Kryptowährungen sich interessieren. Kommt vorbei, mit uns zu plaudern, Beer/Wein zu trinken und Spaß zu haben.
Egal ob Neulinge oder Profis, BTC oder BCH Fans, alle sind herzlich willkommen! Wir respektieren und zuhören uns einander!
Wir treffen uns ab 18 Uhr draussen an den Bänken zwischen 'Spreelunke' bar und 'Pampa' pizza (Holzmarktstraße 25 · Berlin).
https://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-cash-Berlin-BCH/events/261137283/
unser telegram chat: https://t.me/bitcoinsberlin
Bis dann!
Re: 🍉🍉 ▶︎▶︎ BITCOIN LOANS ⚡️ FROM 3.6% week with SIGNATURE ◀︎◀︎ 🍉🍉
Hey I need a loan. How big of a loan will $50 btc get me?
Zero
⭐ Merited by SimplyRouge2 (1)
thx for participating its finished now 
At the same time let's see few accounts offers examples:
- Legendary account for 0.015 BTC
No negative feedback - Never requested loans - Never banned.
Position - Legendary
Posts - 1119
Activity - 1119
Merit - 1018
Trust - Green trust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091528.0
- Legendary account for $150
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094226.0
I'm with VINSIN on this one: they could be scammers trying to steal an easy 0.015BTC/$150, without having access to the account.- Legendary account for 0.015 BTC
No negative feedback - Never requested loans - Never banned.
Position - Legendary
Posts - 1119
Activity - 1119
Merit - 1018
Trust - Green trust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091528.0
- Legendary account for $150
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094226.0
So as a conclusion, I propose to consider current accounts valuation drop while accepting non-collateral or account pledged loans.
Therefore loanable amounts for such loans should be lower than acceptable "exit price" for hero/legendary members. My current estimate is: up to $50 for legendary and $30 for hero members. Another question are such loans make sense for both parties
I like to think I would instantly get a $200 loan, no questions asked, if I ever apply for it (but I would never give my account as collateral!). There's a huge difference in trusting an active account, or trusting someone who has (many) farmed Legendary accounts with only a few posts in the past months.Therefore loanable amounts for such loans should be lower than acceptable "exit price" for hero/legendary members. My current estimate is: up to $50 for legendary and $30 for hero members. Another question are such loans make sense for both parties
unfortunately it happens, users with high-ranked accounts prefer to lose their trust and make their accounts worthless just to not repay $150 loans (based on my case it were non-collateral loans to legendary/hero members).
so, will say it once again, not repaying loans looks like easiest way to leave bitcointalk forum with profit and minimum efforts/risk (they even shouldnt sell account just drop it and go)
No, it's not true. Those who dump the price so much are just scammers. A sr. stays arround 120 to 180$ right now, tho is a drop from 500$ last year.
karenm buyercodes whatever are both scammers so no point in discussing what prices they post.
tho it's a way bigger headache to sell the accounts than it was a few months ago, and it is not because of the fall of btc price.
It is because of the ico scams and useless bounties users have been through in the last half of the last year
karenm buyercodes whatever are both scammers so no point in discussing what prices they post.
tho it's a way bigger headache to sell the accounts than it was a few months ago, and it is not because of the fall of btc price.
It is because of the ico scams and useless bounties users have been through in the last half of the last year
thats what I'm talking about, take a loan and default it looks like the easiest and quickest exit strategy right now. There is no headache about whom, how and where to sell etc etc.
as for accounts price estimation, i'm talking about my estimation based on my experience and cases I know. The main point is current negative trend we as lenders should take into account.
It seems Bitcoin price drop caused lower personal valuation of bitcointalk accounts by some owners and looks like lenders realized this phenomenon a bit later.
Few recent lending examples to explain you what I mean:
grtthegreat :
- hero member preferred to lose his account for just 0.04BTC ($150): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102198.msg49422126#msg49422126
- legendary member dropped account just for 0.05BTC ($200): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5087785.msg48904269#msg48904269
my case:
- legendary member who already repaid 2 loans before BTC price drop has defaulted 0.04BTC non-collateral loan and is not carrying about negative trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5101704.0
shasan:
- hero member defaulted 0.03BTC ($100) non-collateral loan and ruined his trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg48734465#msg48734465
At the same time let's see few accounts offers examples:
- Legendary account for 0.015 BTC
No negative feedback - Never requested loans - Never banned.
Position - Legendary
Posts - 1119
Activity - 1119
Merit - 1018
Trust - Green trust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091528.0
- Legendary account for $150
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094226.0
- Hero account for 0.01BTC
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096756.0
- Full member accounts from $50 to $130
https://www.playerup.com/accounts/bitcointalkaccount/?order=price
So as a conclusion, I propose to consider current accounts valuation drop while accepting non-collateral or account pledged loans.
Therefore loanable amounts for such loans should be lower than acceptable "exit price" for hero/legendary members. My current estimate is: up to $50 for legendary and $30 for hero members. Another question are such loans make sense for both parties
P.S. Im not going to blame all legendary/ hero member because of few black sheeps and won't break existing trust based relationships on lending section
Few recent lending examples to explain you what I mean:
grtthegreat :
- hero member preferred to lose his account for just 0.04BTC ($150): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102198.msg49422126#msg49422126
- legendary member dropped account just for 0.05BTC ($200): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5087785.msg48904269#msg48904269
my case:
- legendary member who already repaid 2 loans before BTC price drop has defaulted 0.04BTC non-collateral loan and is not carrying about negative trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5101704.0
shasan:
- hero member defaulted 0.03BTC ($100) non-collateral loan and ruined his trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg48734465#msg48734465
At the same time let's see few accounts offers examples:
- Legendary account for 0.015 BTC
No negative feedback - Never requested loans - Never banned.
Position - Legendary
Posts - 1119
Activity - 1119
Merit - 1018
Trust - Green trust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091528.0
- Legendary account for $150
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094226.0
- Hero account for 0.01BTC
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096756.0
- Full member accounts from $50 to $130
https://www.playerup.com/accounts/bitcointalkaccount/?order=price
So as a conclusion, I propose to consider current accounts valuation drop while accepting non-collateral or account pledged loans.
Therefore loanable amounts for such loans should be lower than acceptable "exit price" for hero/legendary members. My current estimate is: up to $50 for legendary and $30 for hero members. Another question are such loans make sense for both parties
P.S. Im not going to blame all legendary/ hero member because of few black sheeps and won't break existing trust based relationships on lending section
k0er was online before 2 days ago too: https://archive.fo/KRRCi and tracyspacy gave negative trust and warned 16 days ago and also think gave warned multiple warning before the loan but k0er has not taken any steps or koer has not noticed. In this case, require a negative trust by DT to make him aware of the case.
thank you, hope it will help
Three of us already did.
highly appreciate that
k0er was online before 2 days ago too: https://archive.fo/KRRCi and tracyspacy gave negative trust and warned 16 days ago and also think gave warned multiple warning before the loan but k0er has not taken any steps or koer has not noticed. In this case, require a negative trust by DT to make him aware of the case.
thank you, hope it will help
Third time unlucky
As a matter of interest (pardon the pun) what's your default % on loans?
with k0er and adiebitsler I had successful loan history before. Amount of repaid loans is still higher
edited: PS I don't think its about luck it's not a lottery. I think its a warning sign of trust system crisis - maybe Bitcoin price drop caused lower personal valuation of bitcointalk accounts by some owners and looks like lenders realized this phenomenon a bit later.
What happened:
I re-borrowed k0er 0.04 btc on 29.10.2018, he had to repay 0.04208 btc on 17.11.2018, but didn't do that.
I'd like to place on record that during the first month after the deadline k0er was available and asked via PM for loan's extension and informed me about repayment status, but then he was unavailable from 8th December 2018 till 9th January 2019. On 9th January he showed up, but unfortunately still didn't manage to repay money. For now he still owes me 0.05024 btc.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=422621
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4681254.msg49122213#msg49122213
Amount Scammed: 0.05024 btc / $324.85 (as on 29.10.2018)
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/5259bfd0b5e251546935cb1b7b2c3e142032bc35eab76be75311e6cff04ddfb3
Additional Notes:
I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
It's pity that I have to write this scam report, because k0er has repaid loans with me in full and with interests 2 times before. I supposed we had trustful business relationships
I re-borrowed k0er 0.04 btc on 29.10.2018, he had to repay 0.04208 btc on 17.11.2018, but didn't do that.
I'd like to place on record that during the first month after the deadline k0er was available and asked via PM for loan's extension and informed me about repayment status, but then he was unavailable from 8th December 2018 till 9th January 2019. On 9th January he showed up, but unfortunately still didn't manage to repay money. For now he still owes me 0.05024 btc.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=422621
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4681254.msg49122213#msg49122213
Amount Scammed: 0.05024 btc / $324.85 (as on 29.10.2018)
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/5259bfd0b5e251546935cb1b7b2c3e142032bc35eab76be75311e6cff04ddfb3
Additional Notes:
I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
It's pity that I have to write this scam report, because k0er has repaid loans with me in full and with interests 2 times before. I supposed we had trustful business relationships
Re: 🍉🍉 ▶︎▶︎ BITCOIN LOANS ⚡️ FROM 3.6% week with SIGNATURE ◀︎◀︎ 🍉🍉
Loan Amount: 0.02btc
Repayment Amount: 0.022
Number of days: 14
Collateral offered (if needed): my Btt account.
Reason: Trading opportunity
BTC Address: bc1qt2jmcfkr0uun0g2q2f75cpt084zscazwj2njkz
Repayment Amount: 0.022
Number of days: 14
Collateral offered (if needed): my Btt account.
Reason: Trading opportunity
BTC Address: bc1qt2jmcfkr0uun0g2q2f75cpt084zscazwj2njkz
Denied. I'm not taking accounts as a collateral.
Still now adiebitsler is online and I have looked on your thread that he never responding there. I have tagged him for invite on this thread. I don't know how a hero ranked user want to scam only 0.03BTC. I can't believe it. Since he is not responding on your lending thread , So my tag will remain until solve the issue. Waiting for his response...
thank you! hope it helps
I can't imagine how a hero member can default the loan of 0.03BTC which is about only 100$. Very much disappointed to see such a default.
considering current btc price it looks even stranger...
⭐ Merited by Coolcryptovator (1)
What happened:
I re-borrowed adiebitsler 0.03 btc on 19.11.2018, he had to repay 0.0345 btc on 14.12.2018, but didn't do that. We agreed on 1 week extension, so he had to repay 0.0372 btc till 23.12.18. He didn't do that too. So on 24.12.18 I voluntirely proposed him 1 more week loan's extension till 30.12.18 with repayment of 0.0399 btc. He didn't show up with repayment till now and don't answer to my messages.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=876668
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4681254.msg49122213#msg49122213
Amount Scammed: 0.0399 btc / $223.44 (as on 19.11.18)
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/bde6deb1d10351fddb6f1f8d5eb43a44b5fb5f806cd59e128853589088081b6e
Additional Notes:
I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
It's pity that I have to write this scam report, because 1st loan with adiebitsler was successful and repaid in full with interests. I supposed we had trustful business relationships
I re-borrowed adiebitsler 0.03 btc on 19.11.2018, he had to repay 0.0345 btc on 14.12.2018, but didn't do that. We agreed on 1 week extension, so he had to repay 0.0372 btc till 23.12.18. He didn't do that too. So on 24.12.18 I voluntirely proposed him 1 more week loan's extension till 30.12.18 with repayment of 0.0399 btc. He didn't show up with repayment till now and don't answer to my messages.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=876668
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4681254.msg49122213#msg49122213
Amount Scammed: 0.0399 btc / $223.44 (as on 19.11.18)
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/bde6deb1d10351fddb6f1f8d5eb43a44b5fb5f806cd59e128853589088081b6e
Additional Notes:
I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
It's pity that I have to write this scam report, because 1st loan with adiebitsler was successful and repaid in full with interests. I supposed we had trustful business relationships
Re: 🍉🍉 ▶︎▶︎ BITCOIN LOANS ⚡️ FROM 3.6% week with SIGNATURE ◀︎◀︎ 🍉🍉
Loan Amount: 0.02 btc
Repayment Amount: 0.022
Number of days: 7 days
Collateral offered (if needed): this account ( if required )
Reason: Trading
BTC Address: 3DPikWtrmXJ8oebskmebnVbmVNxFHsWv9m
Denied.Repayment Amount: 0.022
Number of days: 7 days
Collateral offered (if needed): this account ( if required )
Reason: Trading
BTC Address: 3DPikWtrmXJ8oebskmebnVbmVNxFHsWv9m
Re: 🍉🍉 ▶︎▶︎ BITCOIN LOANS ⚡️ FROM 3.6% week with SIGNATURE ◀︎◀︎ 🍉🍉
1. txid confirming that 0.0045BTC interests for previous 25 days are paid: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/687d6c8d0237eddd63a4a589d65a67d846a57775e937a4ebe72749d0dbded9fe
2. we have agreed to extend 0.03 btc loan for more 25 days, so repayment of 0.0345 btc should be done till 14.12.2018
Thank you sir 😁
2. we have agreed to extend 0.03 btc loan for more 25 days, so repayment of 0.0345 btc should be done till 14.12.2018
Thank you sir 😁
Hey adiebitsler,
I confirm receiving of 0.0045 btc interests.
See you till 14.12.2018 with repayment of 0.0345 btc.
This loan was extended in line with PM discussions.
Repayment date: 30.12.2018
Repayment amount: 0.0399 btc.
I place on record that adiebitsler delayed this loan repayment for 7 days after the latest deadline. I didn't receive neither interest for last extensions nor loanable amount.
Negative feedback was added. I will remove it when 0.03990000 btc will be repaid.
1. txid confirming that I have paid 0.0024BTC interests for current loan: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9c7fedfd4735b654666d58283764b18aa971e2fe53e47f688b12ccef33f44d9c
2. We agree to extend 0.04 btc loan for more 20 days, so repayment of 0.04208 btc should be done till 17.11.2018.
2. We agree to extend 0.04 btc loan for more 20 days, so repayment of 0.04208 btc should be done till 17.11.2018.
Hey k0er,
I confirm receiving of interests, even with tips.
See you till 17.11.2018 with repayment of 0.04208 btc.
This loan was extended in line with PM discussions.
Repayment date: 29.12.2018
Repayment amount: 0.05024 btc.
Ok, now I can place on record that k0er ignored my voluntary proposed last extension and since 10th December 2018 is avoiding me.
The loan repayment is delayed for 7 days after the latest proposed by me deadline (*total repayment delay 28 days). I didn't receive neither interest nor loanable amount.
* k0er didn't asked for loan extension since he delayed repayment on 8th December 2018.
Negative feedback was added. I will remove it when 0.05024000 btc will be repaid.
Re: 🍉🍉 ▶︎▶︎ BITCOIN LOANS ⚡️ FROM 3.6% week with SIGNATURE ◀︎◀︎ 🍉🍉
1. txid confirming that 0.0045BTC interests for previous 25 days are paid: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/687d6c8d0237eddd63a4a589d65a67d846a57775e937a4ebe72749d0dbded9fe
2. we have agreed to extend 0.03 btc loan for more 25 days, so repayment of 0.0345 btc should be done till 14.12.2018
Thank you sir 😁
2. we have agreed to extend 0.03 btc loan for more 25 days, so repayment of 0.0345 btc should be done till 14.12.2018
Thank you sir 😁
Hey adiebitsler,
I confirm receiving of 0.0045 btc interests.
See you till 14.12.2018 with repayment of 0.0345 btc.
This loan was extended in line with PM discussions.
Repayment date: 30.12.2018
Repayment amount: 0.0399 btc.
I place on record that adiebitsler delayed this loan repayment for 7 days after the latest deadline. I didn't receive neither interest for last extensions nor loanable amount.