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9 Spondoolies SP30 Miners For Sale (Not Pre-Order & Brand New)
Hi Everyone,
As many of you know from the Spondoolies thread I have just purchased 29 x SP30 miners from Spondoolies and they are already at a good hosting company now https://www.centerus.com/. The hosting company charges 0.375 BTC to host your miner per month. That's correct you pay in BTC for hosting not USD, so if the rate drops you pay less
I am looking to sell each SP30 for 15 BTC. The units are ready to hash as we speak and you don't have to wait for months for pre-orders.
I will only Accept BTC as payment because I don't have time to be waiting for USD bank transfers.
I have my invoice evidence showing I bought 29 x SP30 Units from SP.
If you are interested please private message me so we can arrange the deal. For now I am only selling 9 x SP30s and I will keep the remaining 20 x Units for myself. First Pay first get.
After the payment is done the hosting company will transfer over the ownership of the unit(s) to you and it will mine for you.
As many of you know from the Spondoolies thread I have just purchased 29 x SP30 miners from Spondoolies and they are already at a good hosting company now https://www.centerus.com/. The hosting company charges 0.375 BTC to host your miner per month. That's correct you pay in BTC for hosting not USD, so if the rate drops you pay less
I am looking to sell each SP30 for 15 BTC. The units are ready to hash as we speak and you don't have to wait for months for pre-orders.
I will only Accept BTC as payment because I don't have time to be waiting for USD bank transfers.
I have my invoice evidence showing I bought 29 x SP30 Units from SP.
If you are interested please private message me so we can arrange the deal. For now I am only selling 9 x SP30s and I will keep the remaining 20 x Units for myself. First Pay first get.
After the payment is done the hosting company will transfer over the ownership of the unit(s) to you and it will mine for you.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
If some one wants a whole lot of SP10's including hosting, I may consider serious offers.
If someone wants SP30s (already at hosting and ready for mining) private message me for details.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Hi Zvi,
My hosting provider had some issues getting 240V up and so they started some of my SP30 units with 120V for a bit they said they will get the 240V issues fixed soon.
What do I need to do to reset the PSU so they can relearn the settings when the 240V is on?
Thanks
My hosting provider had some issues getting 240V up and so they started some of my SP30 units with 120V for a bit they said they will get the 240V issues fixed soon.
What do I need to do to reset the PSU so they can relearn the settings when the 240V is on?
Thanks
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
main point i asked how many bitcoins this machine SP35 that looks to have 6000 ghs can mine monthly......
Probably a lot less than it costs you
Mining is a dead game, you won't ROI with such pre-orders that take 2 months and difficulty rising the way it is.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Wissam,
I don't intend to argue or reply on your specific refund issue anymore.
I'll repeat my claim that it wasn't done on purpose.
I'll add that in your specific order, we took much more than extra mile.
I don't intend to argue or reply on your specific refund issue anymore.
I'll repeat my claim that it wasn't done on purpose.
I'll add that in your specific order, we took much more than extra mile.
Yes just when someone bumped a lot of BTC on the exchange for sale and the price crashed by about $90 that happens to be the exact hour my refund was processed with in the 3-4 weeks time frame that I have been nagging for you to refund me. Yes that is diffidently not on purpose. How about I send you back the exact BTC you sent me then you refund me the USD that you owed me since it wasn't intended or planned I'm sure you wouldn't mind then? Send me your Wallet address so I can transfer to you.
I will tell you my bank details for which you can transfer my USD refund in once we arrange it.
Thanks.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
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Please stop posting about your personal refund issue here. I wrote, very clearly, that the refund is being processed and when you should expect it.Guy
I find it very interesting that the time my refund was processed in BTC(After you guys delayed so much) was the time the rate dropped like this resulting in me losing about $2,000 USD.
It wasn't done on purpose, despite what you may believe.
Guy
Don't argue with "customers" in public forums. It makes you look petty and cheapens the brand.
Guy I have been telling you guys for a long time I needed my refund in BTC ASAP and you guys didn't do anything even though you had the funds. I can see using the block chain records that you had the BTC so you have no excuse. At worst you could have refunded by buying BTC with the USD that you wanted to refund me but because of what you did I lose nearly $2000 and you don't think you did anything wrong and you want to argue about that?
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
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Please stop posting about your personal refund issue here. I wrote, very clearly, that the refund is being processed and when you should expect it.Guy
I find it very interesting that the time my refund was processed in BTC(After you guys delayed so much) was the time the rate dropped like this resulting in me losing about $2,000 USD.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Hi Zvi,
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
The unit will learn lower settings over time for PSU. The fans at 100% is too much unless your input temperature is the limiting factor - it will just waste power. I don't recommend touching settings unless you have specific problem. maybe just increase starting voltage to 0.680 - it will improve start time
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
125 is the high limit. Any number under that is ok as long as you get good hash rate
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
The SP30 arrive overclocked to maximum by default, then they learn and downclock to match environment
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Sometimes HW gets damaged in shipment. You should contact us and we try to resolve the issue.
Thanks Zvi.
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
The unit will learn lower settings over time for PSU. The fans at 100% is too much unless your input temperature is the limiting factor - it will just waste power. I don't recommend touching settings unless you have specific problem. maybe just increase starting voltage to 0.680 - it will improve start time
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
125 is the high limit. Any number under that is ok as long as you get good hash rate
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
The SP30 arrive overclocked to maximum by default, then they learn and downclock to match environment
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Sometimes HW gets damaged in shipment. You should contact us and we try to resolve the issue.
Thanks Zvi.
Inline.
Thanks for your input Zvi You're Awesome.
Note that I am hosting at a hosting provider and am paying a fixed rate and so I don't mind if the power that is drawn is more or if the fans make too much noise, the only thing I'm concerned about is getting the fastest possible hashing rate without reaching temperatures that can damage the unit. The hosting area will be using evaporative cooling, I'm not 100% sure on what the ambient temperature will be but because it's a hosting environment I'm guessing temps won't be too much of an issue.
With power consumption, noise and temperatures not being an issue/limiting factor (I can use as much power as I want, make as much noise as I need and my cooling is good) but only wanted to increase hash rate without damaging the device, what settings would you recommend in the over clock section of the miner setting so that I can adjust them once the miners are installed?
The fans take the power from the PSUs, and there is limitation in each PSU of about 1330W. So if you use the fans too much you waste ASICs power. Usually 80% is enough.
Will do, So what I'm gonna be doing then is leave the Fans at 80 and only adjust the starting voltage to 0.680. Will check all ASIC and if I see any issues I'll be in touch to see what we need to do to fix them. Hopefully you guys did enough testing in the units before shipping but out of 29 units there's bound to be some issues...
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Hi Zvi,
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
The unit will learn lower settings over time for PSU. The fans at 100% is too much unless your input temperature is the limiting factor - it will just waste power. I don't recommend touching settings unless you have specific problem. maybe just increase starting voltage to 0.680 - it will improve start time
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
125 is the high limit. Any number under that is ok as long as you get good hash rate
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
The SP30 arrive overclocked to maximum by default, then they learn and downclock to match environment
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Sometimes HW gets damaged in shipment. You should contact us and we try to resolve the issue.
Thanks Zvi.
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
The unit will learn lower settings over time for PSU. The fans at 100% is too much unless your input temperature is the limiting factor - it will just waste power. I don't recommend touching settings unless you have specific problem. maybe just increase starting voltage to 0.680 - it will improve start time
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
125 is the high limit. Any number under that is ok as long as you get good hash rate
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
The SP30 arrive overclocked to maximum by default, then they learn and downclock to match environment
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Sometimes HW gets damaged in shipment. You should contact us and we try to resolve the issue.
Thanks Zvi.
Inline.
Thanks for your input Zvi You're Awesome.
Note that I am hosting at a hosting provider and am paying a fixed rate and so I don't mind if the power that is drawn is more or if the fans make too much noise, the only thing I'm concerned about is getting the fastest possible hashing rate without reaching temperatures that can damage the unit. The hosting area will be using evaporative cooling, I'm not 100% sure on what the ambient temperature will be but because it's a hosting environment I'm guessing temps won't be too much of an issue.
With power consumption, noise and temperatures not being an issue/limiting factor (I can use as much power as I want, make as much noise as I need and my cooling is good) but only wanted to increase hash rate without damaging the device, what settings would you recommend in the over clock section of the miner setting so that I can adjust them once the miners are installed?
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Hi Zvi,
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Thanks Zvi.
My SP30s Units have shipped, I just wanted to get your input regarding overclocking before they arrive.
I'm thinking of the settings below please let me know if you think the units will work fine:
FAN: 100 Maximum
Voltage: 0.780V
PSU Top: 1385
PSU Bottom: 1385
What is the maximum safe temperatures that the ASIC chips should run at? I'm reading the user manual and on the last page there is a screen shot of 85C and 105C, does that mean that I should ensure the temps don't go above 105C or will they be ok to up higher? if so how much?
Any further information that you think will help in the overclocking of the SP30 would be much appreciated. I'm not much of a technical person but I can try.
By the way the screen shot in the user manual also shows some chips as disabled:
12:disabled (Stuck DLL)
22: disabled (Stuck DLL)
Would that mean that the ASIC is not working? what if that happens to use what do we do?
Thanks Zvi.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
A question to spondoolies:
I ordered Sp-30 (September batch 1) and payed for it in the first half of June.
I already asked shipping andgot no firm date for shipping in response, which is strange.
Did anybody else received their September orders?
I ordered Sp-30 (September batch 1) and payed for it in the first half of June.
I already asked shipping and
Did anybody else received their September orders?
I have had similar response when I asked as well. Be nice if we could get a more firm answer. I had hoped Sept batch 1 meant early Sept, but I should know better by now I guess.
Welcome to PREORDERing. When they have something in stock I will purchase.
My unit was shipped today. It was the last day of the first half of the month, but it was done on schedule (1st batch-1st half), I appreciate it.
Still waiting on my units to ship (Sept Batch 1). I remember after I made my payment there was still September Batch 1 on SP website for about 2 weeks, so I'm expecting them to ship mine any day now right SP?
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Again I'm tired of explaining this to people like you Roadstress... If we all got a 6TH miner with 2500W we will get ROI without issues but now that we have 4.5TH with 3000W that is what has made it hard. I invested $125,900 USD based on the promise SP gave of 6TH at 2500W, and now because they did not deliver on that promise I am at risk of losing my investment. Several factors are involved that may result in us SP30 owners getting ROI but that is something that is beyond the control of customers or SP, so basically now it's a big gamble. We would have been better off just buying BTC directly rather than trying to mine it.
Please stop complaining. You clearly don't realize how bad that makes you look. After drawing the line you paid for 120Th/s and you were expecting a $48,000 bill for keeping them running for 6 months. NOW you got 130Th/s and you are expecting a $45,000 bill for keeping them running for 6 months. You got more hashpower with a lower power bill and you still consider yourself the victim here? Really?
Unless you are willing to buy the 29 x SP30 miners at the cost I bought them, pay for hosting and add shipping you have NO right to belittle what I'm saying.
I am willing to buy them, but I will give you the money in exactly 6 months from our agreement. If you really believe that you will never get your money back then this offer should be good. I am open to escrow and to any other method/documents that will make you feel safe regarding this deal. The miners can be kept by jtoomim DC/possession.
Why don't you ask SP to sell you 29 x SP30s and that you'll pay for them in 6 months let's see how that will work out for you. The reason I switched to Toom.im hosting was because at that hosting rate with SP I would lose for sure 100%. So switching to Toom.im was the natural thing to do to minimize the loss and expenses in order to get as close to the ROI as possible. Of course SP themselves suggested to do that, which of course is good advise because paying $500 a month for 1 miner is just something that's not going to happen. Yes I agree that I end up with 10TH more but that's at the cost of an extra 14,500 Watts altogether.
Anyway we will see in 6-12 months time, I hope I am wrong and that I can get my money back. Keep in mind that people aren't support to worry about only breaking even, if you took that money and bought shares in a company or did some other investment you could make a nice profit instead of being in a situation of simple trying to get your money back from mining.
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Now read everything again.
If I am reading this right SPTech gave him 9 more SP30's As compensation?
Correct. Since you seem to pay attention please read this:
...because the future of mining is an uncertain thing, especially when the difficulty keeps going up and the rate keeps going down....
So he invested money a couple of months ago while knowing that the future of mining is an uncertain thing and now he is whining that he won't get his ROI only because of SP-Tech. Never his fault or his bad predictions. It's always someone else fault.
Again I'm tired of explaining this to people like you Roadstress... If we all got a 6TH miner with 2500W we will get ROI without issues but now that we have 4.5TH with 3000W that is what has made it hard. I invested $125,900 USD based on the promise SP gave of 6TH at 2500W, and now because they did not deliver on that promise I am at risk of losing my investment. Several factors are involved that may result in us SP30 owners getting ROI but that is something that is beyond the control of customers or SP, so basically now it's a big gamble. We would have been better off just buying BTC directly rather than trying to mine it.
Unless you are willing to buy the 29 x SP30 miners at the cost I bought them, pay for hosting and add shipping you have NO right to belittle what I'm saying.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Now read everything again.
If I am reading this right SPTech gave him 9 more SP30's As compensation?
SP will not refund in Cash, they will refund in Vouchers which to me is useless because I won't want to put money back in mining in the future if this is the same situation I'm going to fine myself in worrying about not reaching ROI. So instead of getting vouchers the added 9 SP30s are there to start mining NOW
this guy is even bragging about it...
I'm not bragging, I'm saying that it's more likely to get a better return to at least try and get closer to ROI if more miners run ASAP rather than have vouchers for later use. Jesus Christ, people try and stop hating others and reading into things that they didn't say for your own convoluted reasons.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
I am at an undisclosed location here in Europe and the best price on energy I can get is 0.1093 /kWh ~ 0.1458 $/kWh exclusive VAT (and we have 20% VAT here, which I may or may not be able to omit, depending if I can let the company pay for and operate my mining endeavor).
And NO, I'm not in the least interested in any cloud or data center mining offer!
And NO, I'm not in the least interested in any cloud or data center mining offer!
Mining margins are going to be getting much thinner as time wears on. Only those with the cheapest (and hopefully also cleanest) electricity running the most efficient hardware will be able to make a profit. That's when people will stop adding to the network hashrate, and the so-far inexorable push of the difficulty will finally meet its end. There are places in the world that pay 1/7th of what you do for electricity. I'm in one of them.
If you insist on mining at home, then you have three options, as far as I can see it. you can either
1) Move somewhere with cheaper electricity,
2) Mine at a loss, or
3) Stop mining.
Yeah I did not really want to get a refund for the august GB order (just sent in my bank info to spondoolies for the refund as they are ready to send it) but man I wanted one as a home miner and an SP30 bad...bad..bad...then found out about ...the noise issue...the power went up....and me at 15c/kwh it made no sense..so then I dumped 1800 usd for the 6 months hosting....(saving $194 over my mining at
home in elec costs)....so thought I was pretty much stuck..no refund...forced to chase GB hosting in order to
at least break even on electricity and the noise issue such..and alas ... no refund option I thought just gonna have to lump it
.....cross fingers my 100amp elec panel was adequate vs me paying $2.5k for a 200 amp re-do.....ah the joys of bitcoin and pre-oders and being a miner...
..then spondoolies (Guy) on this thread said GB users could get a refund...likely because the GB did not meet the specs hash
and power usage wise ....had to read that a few times to make sure it was frigging real....and I grabbed it....kinda desperately I might add....... as a home miner type I was already
well out of my depth with what spondoolies kept recommending as a commercial unit that should be hosted as such and me trying (failing)
to morph it into a home miner......then punting it back to Aug GB hosting...etc
Really like the company..but expected (my mistake I might add) that I could somehow run this beastie at home..but with the hash down from 6TH to 4.5TH and up
in watts from 2500 to 3000 watts...and of course then I find out about the noise issue (got a cheap decibel meter on amazon 25 bucks ..amazing how loud 69db can
be (my canister vac cleaner is 69.3db) with the basement windows open....dogs bark..... neighbors inquire..it did not bode well... sheesh)
so....really like the company...was not really enthused about being a 'hosted miner' so hell I took the offered refund with gratitude .....alas I still lust
after their machines..but have to grow up and face the fact home mining is likely dead after this year....it frigging makes no sense in my circumstances...although
this had to be beat into my head
so imho looks to me (esp at BTC price point of $475 usd today) that I seem to be out of the home mining biz....btc mining is going/has gone whatever commercial...
always the last guy to get the joke don't ya know..duh... (do have a non ROI KNC Titan coming so the joke is still on me..that truly is no refund...oh well)
so anyway unless I get fired up about a pre-order to host someplace....I guess I'm out of the miner game...if for some reason/miracle spondoolies makes something
I would be comfortable with in the future I'd buy it....but the trend is commercial ..and I will just have to suck it up like the GPU guys had to do when ASIC's came
along and move on...
(move on ..not big on hosting miners....cloud mining...nor the GAWminer hashnet whatever....so....frack....looks like www.coinbase.com is the way to go..just frigging
buy con..argh.....especially if BTC keeps dropping...boring....no whirly soothing sounds..no pretty LCD lights...no comfort in babysitting the beast every day and watching it hash ...
a lost art I guess..
anyway spondoolies came thru on the refund and again I'm grateful......just gonna have to use my NON ROI KNC Titan (no refund) for good....start a gang of NON ROI Titans to launch
51% attacks against new sh*ty alt coins etc....get some spandex and a cape...make a secret lair for meetings..yeah theres the ticket....should be able to run them pretty lcd lights on
that beast a long long time w/o worrying about pesky ROI
so it goes
thanks again Guy and Spondoolies ....I appreciate the refund offer ..you did not have to make such....I am grateful and will try to herd some business your way if I'm asked
to make up for the refund to myself....I should be able to pull that much off within the next 1/2 year....
thanks again
Searing
Well said buddy. I'll be VERY CLEAR about this, I DO like SP I just didn't like what just happened this time, but as a result of this mess up I'm unable to continue buying mining hardware in the future unless SP come up with some 8TH with some respectable power rating and on the condition the rate improves back to about 650 USB to 1 BTC.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Now read everything again.
If I am reading this right SPTech gave him 9 more SP30's As compensation?
SP will not refund in Cash, they will refund in Vouchers which to me is useless because I won't want to put money back in mining in the future if this is the same situation I'm going to fine myself in worrying about not reaching ROI. So instead of getting vouchers the added 9 SP30s are there to start mining NOW and not in the future because the future of mining is an uncertain thing, especially when the difficulty keeps going up and the rate keeps going down. So basically the decision was to try and get to ROI and moving to Toom.im hosting was a MUST otherwise I will lose even more.
This is so unfair for the rest of the people who ordered miners here, you better didn't mention it. Now looking at the compensation, the bank info is not for vouchers isn't it?
There is nothing unfair about this it all breaks down to who paid for the miners first, we are all waiting to receive our units regardless of the screw up.
Yeah, absolutely nothing unfair. For a guy with a big mouth ordering 20 units, being compensated 45% (9 SP30) with SEPTEMBER units (1st batch), while August buyers with units delivered are being given SP31 vouchers for units shipping in October with only 21% coverage. What worries me is that you still complain about your "potential" losses. For guys like you, there's medication (Benzodiazepine derivatives) which might help with your anxiety issues.
Buy one of these: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStXb9w3PEzhbCbhKaVMM2PCFbtwfE5n_hjCv89vpVfxe_rxfiKtA
Now read everything again.
I'm just going to leave you to argue with yourself, no point wasting my time on you. The last thing I will leave you with is this: Don't compare customers to each other, the fact is that we are in this situation because of SP didn't deliver on their promise of 6TH at 2500W and that's as simple as that. I have nothing against any other person here I am simply voicing my opinion and experience i've had so far. While some people may have had it worst it doesn't mean I am not entitled to say my thoughts, they are free to complain too if they want.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Now read everything again.
If I am reading this right SPTech gave him 9 more SP30's As compensation?
SP will not refund in Cash, they will refund in Vouchers which to me is useless because I won't want to put money back in mining in the future if this is the same situation I'm going to fine myself in worrying about not reaching ROI. So instead of getting vouchers the added 9 SP30s are there to start mining NOW and not in the future because the future of mining is an uncertain thing, especially when the difficulty keeps going up and the rate keeps going down. So basically the decision was to try and get to ROI and moving to Toom.im hosting was a MUST otherwise I will lose even more.
This is so unfair for the rest of the people who ordered miners here, you better didn't mention it. Now looking at the compensation, the bank info is not for vouchers isn't it?
There is nothing unfair about this it all breaks down to who paid for the miners first, we are all waiting to receive our units regardless of the screw up.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Now read everything again.
If I am reading this right SPTech gave him 9 more SP30's As compensation?
SP will not refund in Cash, they will refund in Vouchers which to me is useless because I won't want to put money back in mining in the future if this is the same situation I'm going to fine myself in worrying about not reaching ROI. So instead of getting vouchers the added 9 SP30s are there to start mining NOW and not in the future because the future of mining is an uncertain thing, especially when the difficulty keeps going up and the rate keeps going down. So basically the decision was to try and get to ROI and moving to Toom.im hosting was a MUST otherwise I will lose even more.
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I don't see how ROI on the miners can be achieved if the difficulty increases so fast before the miners can even get to us and make any respectable $$$. Looks like our only hope is if the BTC to USD rate goes up and that's not a gamble anyone should be taking with their money, and on the other hand if BTC to USD drops then you can see how the people mining are the ones that are screwed even further here...
Personally I don't believe the cost of the hardware itself is justified, it's too expensive and the hardware manufacturers keep the buyers thinking that at current mining difficulty and rate they will get their money back in 3 months, but that is not true.
When I purchased the miners in July 24 or so the difficulty was about 17.34G at a BTC to USD rate of $650 expecting to get a decent return, now I still don't have my miners and I have to wait another 1 month, have spent $125,900 USD to Spondoolies, difficulty is now at 23.84G at a BTC to USD rate of $500. By the time I get my miners up and working the difficulty will be about 30.00G if not more and even if the rate stays at $500 I'm basically still screwed because the miners will probably not make their money back before they out live their useful life.
Everyone better think well and hard before buying mining equipment on pre-order with 2 months waiting time, never again. I hope I can get my money back by running my 29 x SP30 miners until they end up in the bin by January or February 2015...
Mining Hardware producers like Spondoolies and the rest are pretty much safe. We are the ones worried about getting our money back while they sell us expensive hardware on pre-order.
Personally I don't believe the cost of the hardware itself is justified, it's too expensive and the hardware manufacturers keep the buyers thinking that at current mining difficulty and rate they will get their money back in 3 months, but that is not true.
When I purchased the miners in July 24 or so the difficulty was about 17.34G at a BTC to USD rate of $650 expecting to get a decent return, now I still don't have my miners and I have to wait another 1 month, have spent $125,900 USD to Spondoolies, difficulty is now at 23.84G at a BTC to USD rate of $500. By the time I get my miners up and working the difficulty will be about 30.00G if not more and even if the rate stays at $500 I'm basically still screwed because the miners will probably not make their money back before they out live their useful life.
Everyone better think well and hard before buying mining equipment on pre-order with 2 months waiting time, never again. I hope I can get my money back by running my 29 x SP30 miners until they end up in the bin by January or February 2015...
Mining Hardware producers like Spondoolies and the rest are pretty much safe. We are the ones worried about getting our money back while they sell us expensive hardware on pre-order.
Anyone who pre-orders anything with a lead time of a couple/several months doesn't get the right to complain in my opinion. I don't care if you spent $4000 or $40,000 worth of hardware. You went online and spent money on something you knew wasn't available yet, wasn't realized yet, wasn't proven yet, wasn't realistic yet. Of course the bitcoin manufacturer is going to act like a care salesman. They are there to sell and take your money. While they won't lie to you, they may omit some information that may change your mind about ordering their hardware. I'll only pre-order or give a small interest free loan to a company if it is guaranteed I'll make all my money back and then some.
Mate if the promise of 6TH and 2500W was delivered no one will be complaining about anything, even if it was pre-order as long as they received what they paid for in the time they paid for it. Now we are stuck with paying more hosting fees due to extra power consumption and getting less mining speed as well which means more expenses and less income. I suggest you think about what you are saying before belittling what others have to say. P.S. You don't see me whining that the rate is dropping and we're screwed even more, that is not SP's fault but what is SP's fault is what I pointed out.
So if SP wanted to keep their customers happy they should give a better compensation that will allow for us to at least get our ROI so that we don't lose and just MAYBE some of us will consider buying future products from them, but after my experience I don't think I will be doing any pre-order from them, so SP you should try hard and deliver from stock for your SP50 otherwise you will lose a lot of business.
I have a right to share my experiences because I paid a lot of $$$ and I've been inconvenienced by the seller so people need to understand this and listen to customers' testimonials and stop bitching about it's the customer's fault, it is NOT the customer's fault.
Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
Wissam, when you want to get rid of any of the SP30 because you'll pay more in electricity than you mine with them, let me know.
I can find them a home with some subsidies .. so I guess I can keep them running longer. Same for SP10 .. let me know.
I can find them a home with some subsidies .. so I guess I can keep them running longer. Same for SP10 .. let me know.
Will keep that in mind and offer them to the person that offers me the most at the time I need to sell. As long as I can at least get my money back for the 29 x SP30s I'll be happy. First I will offer to my friends at Toom.im since they would already have them in their hosting facilities and have the means to pay very cheap electricity so they will benefit and so would I.