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Re: Beginners board
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xfactor13
on 19/11/2018, 01:27:42 UTC
A couple of top, notable members are quite active on the beginners' board. And should be credited for it.

I am a fan of beginners' board because I just read, read, and read there.  I rare join in the discussion because I am not knowledgeable yet to be part of the intellectual discussion.  Nevertheless, I always see high-ranked members answering the question of beginner members.  The thing that I notice though is the lack of the follow-up to the newbies who ask question.  They never engage in discussion after someone commented on their posts.  I think because the forum is really lacking on notification when someone comments on your posts?

I often see a lot of high rank members who answers repeated questions all over again,

Which is an evidence that there are high-rank members who are really patient and eager to help those newbies out there.  I think we need to commend them because of their efforts.  Some members also seek posts that are worthy of merits to help the community.
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Re: We need a merit system for local boards
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xfactor13
on 04/11/2018, 23:44:19 UTC
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I also see a lot of spam and discussions that, in my opinion, don't belong on Bitcointalk. Also I see a lot of bounty hunters over there, posting things you can't take serious.
I barely visit the Dutch board, but I assume you mean the Dutch bounty/altcoin boards, right? Those have heavy spam all over the forum, not just in Dutch.
It is just the same with my local board.  People are taking advantage of the language barrier in order to spam the forum.  The function "report to moderators" is usually used to report posts mostly in english language.  Psychologically, it is understandable because you will prefer not to report someone who has the same nationality with you, right?

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Can we do something about this and introduce a Merit system for local boards only?
The Merit system works on all boards, what do you mean by introducing it for local boards?

I think he/she is encouraging to increase the merit distribution in the local boards.  By increasing the merit regulation and distribution in local boards, we can increase the quality posts and decrease the spam.  How about encourage members to apply as merit sources and focus on finding meritable posts on their local boards?
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Re: Meta board flooded by account recovery thread ( ban/locked and hacked account)
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xfactor13
on 28/10/2018, 11:34:55 UTC

The real question is: Why so many accounts need to restored from hack? (after the hack in the past)

Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

Can we provide a mechanism that the Seller of an account will publicly announce that there is a new owner of his/her account?
(though I notice that Buyers of these accounts are always tagged as red trust)

The rule suggests that it is not illegal to sell an account (yet it is discouraged).  At the very least, this can lessen the occurrence of the concern of selling of an account and getting it back using a signed address.
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Re: Another deleted post
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xfactor13
on 28/10/2018, 11:27:08 UTC
I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

Hmm, is it that hard to take a look when the first post was posted? I am aware many people here just jump to the last post(+/-s) and don't bother to check the date but this is in the first place their fault and I reported them several times in the press section.

I saw it was from like 2014 or something, but wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things. Also, the forum isn't a live-only-thing, not just "guys, it's older than 10 min old, forget it!!!"

Personally, I used to report every bumped topic older than 3 months. I don't see why should a discussion be made after such long period.
If an old topic contains genuine information and is very important to the community then it is ok. Other topics have to be used as a reference in a new topic (season 2 somehow).

I think we really need to have a serious discussion on this one. Especially that we always pinpoint to the newbies to use search function.  If they just use the search function to look for the topic that they want and bump to an old post (several months ago and inactive already).  What do you think is the best way to approach it? Comment on the old thread and make the topic/discussion going or just make a new thread?

Though I would like to say that I always see comments from the high-ranked members criticizing the newbies that their topic of concern is already been discussed on the old posts and they are just seeking for merit.  I do not know, I really think that this is a critical issue or am I just overthinking it?
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Re: Huge section spammed... Attention from MOD required
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xfactor13
on 28/10/2018, 11:18:04 UTC
Mods can't win a war against machines (aka bots).
Even if they focus on the section of the forum, bots will change the section of the forum and the spam will start again, we need a restriction on the start of the problem and not on the end.

But the sole purpose of mods is to supervise the section/board that they are assigned to, am I right?
Yes, supervising these bots are such a tedious tasks but that is one of the responsibilities of the mods and we must encourage them to fulfill their responsibilities (even though it is very difficult, but possible).

Moreover, each one of us can report these bots by using the "report to moderator" function.  By doing so, we can lessen the burden on the mods.
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Re: How could i improve my account?
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xfactor13
on 22/10/2018, 07:09:47 UTC
Personally, all I can say is that

You will earn merit on the most unexpected circumstances.

I am just replying earnestly to the posts of other people and lo and behold, I get my very first merit.
All I remember that time is I am just being sincere in giving a helpful reply and not minding if I will earn a merit or not.  I am just really want to help the OP of that post that time and never expected to gain a merit.

Hence, I just want to advise you just continue pursuing your growth in knowledge by reading and helping others in return.  
I think if this will be your focus then you will gain something better than ranking up and gaining merits?  Wink
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Data regarding the forum
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xfactor13
on 19/10/2018, 13:03:37 UTC
I do not know if this is the right board to ask this (kindly assist me and I will move this one to other board if Meta is not appropriate)

I see several posts regarding the data of the forum (one most common is about merits i.e. distribution, comparison, etc).
I just want to ask if the data regarding the forum, let us say Merit distribution data for example, can it be extracted by anyone or it is just available to certain users?

If it is available for everyone to see, can you please teach me how?

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Re: Is merit rewarded based on merit or whom you know?
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xfactor13
on 19/10/2018, 00:32:02 UTC

Of course, after some interaction between the people, seniors members are used to merit those ones whose posts they find to be qualified for the task. Of course, this is a matter of probability: if you have been in here for a long time, and you are active and aware of the forum issues and circumstances, that's more probable for you to write something of use to the community. This is fairly normal, then, that senior users are the more rewarded ones.

This is fairly normal because as you become more involve in the forum, you will know how the community thinks and you can stimulate a better discussion with them.  You can contribute other perspectives than what is popular and give new insights for a certain topic.  This will you a higher chance to earn a merit.


But it doesn't mean that there are personal preferences,

There are personal preferences.  I saw posts getting merit because of personal preferences (posts that are sarcastic, all about jokes, and etc).  However, I think any user has different definition of "meritable posts" and we cannot judge them on their preferences.  If I have a merit, I have the freedom to give to to anyone I think I deserve and you may find my "meritable post" similar to what your opinion of a post that deserves a merit.


in fact, newbies should be more rewarded, for there are many people out there just looking for some newbies to reward. The problem is that there are few, actually, deserving it.

The action to increase merit sources is for the Newbies that deserve merits.  More merit sources means more merit for circulation.  I think we need to commend Theymos in increasing merit sources (some users were assigned as merit sources even though they did not apply as one). This just proves that Theymos is looking for more ways to eliminate the shortcomings of the current merit system.

These merit sources are also active in searching for newbies that deserve merits.  I always see Jetcash make a post with a certain question then if a low-ranked member answered it coherently then he will reward a merit.  I know another one, (Pharmacist if I am not mistaken?) that is searching other boards than Meta to give merits to newbies engaging in helpful discussions.
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Re: I WISH NOT TO GIVE UP
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xfactor13
on 18/10/2018, 07:08:11 UTC
I have being trying all possible best to make it work on having just a merit but it seems everything not working and my account is more than 5months old.

Please what other methods can I use to achieve this because I'm about to give up?

STOP THINKING ABOUT MERIT

You need to align your internal perspective/behavior in order for your to change.  If you keep on thinking about how to earn a merit, then you will tire yourself posting for something that you think a quality post and if that post does not earn a single merit, then you will get frustrated.

If you will just read, read, read for your to learn and grow then post to contribute genuinely, you will be surprised that some of your posts will earn merit (even though you think that the posts are not merit-worthy).  Aside from that, there will be joy in your part because your intention is just to help and no frustration about not getting a merit will come into you.
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Re: Merit as Freelance Payment?
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xfactor13
on 18/10/2018, 06:22:24 UTC
Just wondering are you admins allowing people or freelancers to get paid via Merit if the client doesnt have money and can only pay using his Merit? or this will result into an instant ban? Please let us know to avoid violation.

It is like saying that merit becomes a currency to pay someone.  And I think that is just another way of selling merits.  Instead of accepting cash to sell merits, you will accept services.  The principle is just the same.


it is likely this activity will get noticed by some default trust members who will proceed to red tag the accounts.

Currently, there are no rules to implement for merit abusers.  Active members just put negative trusts on them to warn/inform others of their behavior.  I think theymos need to do something about it? Especially that the topic about merit is really hot and some even use it for their personal interest.
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Re: New Ways of Ranking System (Suggestions Only)
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xfactor13
on 17/10/2018, 00:44:57 UTC
The big question is who will monitor the post?

Most likely the moderators will monitor it.  The great disadvantage of this suggestion is that this is very taxing to the moderators.  The moderators are busy in so many things already (e.g. approving application of merit sources, recovery of hacked account, reviewing the report for ban/temporary ban, etc).  If you will add another work for them, I think they will die of fatigue or over exhausting themselves.

The merit system is really working and yes there are so many things that need to improve.  Just give it time because it is only in the incubation period.

Sooner or later, there will be more merit sources to help the circulation of merit.  As I browse the Meta, there are so many high-ranked members contributing to the discussion and the improvement of the said system.

So let us just be patient and soon the system will be perfected.
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Re: Unfair to Jr.Members
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xfactor13
on 17/10/2018, 00:37:41 UTC
Hi XFactor,
There are three possible theories on someone who have not earned any merit more than 9 months till the launch day of merit system:
- They are spammers. During the 9-month period, they kept posting/ spamming; and have not contributed anything deserves merits.
- They have been totally inactive during the 9-month period.
- They are service providers, such as mining pools, Escrow services, bounty managers, etc. Those sort of users mostly hard to get merits.

So, the figures above are only for reference. We need to have a forensic analysis with a bit deeper analysis to be able to really discover the facts.

Given the data gathered in the above initial figures, I also think there we need further research on this part.

The data is really alarming (almost half of the legendary not getting a single merit for 9 months?).

regarding your theories
1. If this will be proven, implementing a rule that will give a certain period of time for the high-ranked members to gain a certain number of merit for them not to be demoted is advisable;
2. If they are inactive for the past 9-month, the system/management can pinpoint them and not apply the rule to them? or maybe we can apply on the rule upon their login again?
3. If they are service providers, then we need another exception on them.  But if they are part of this forum and being part of the discussion, it is impossible for them not to gain a single merit for 9 months.  It just means that they are just shitposting.
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Re: Unfair to Jr.Members
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xfactor13
on 16/10/2018, 07:02:01 UTC
⭐ Merited by The Pharmacist (1)
jr. member - 1 merit,
member - 11 merits,
full member - 101 merits,
senior member - 251 merits,
hero member - 501 merits,
legendary - 1001 merits

If we are talking about fairness, then we can say that it is fair to implement the same rule to the high ranked members - requiring them to earn at least a single merit to maintain their rank and status.

The table below shows that low-ranked members are not the only spammers in this forum but there are only high-ranked members.  Sadly, the merit system can only target new accounts and cannot affect the old spammer accounts.

[Merit Analysis] Users ranked Sr. Member & up that have not earned any merit
Moreover, there are lots of Hero and Ledgendary have not earned any merit.

The percentage of users at Member, Full Member, Senior Member, Hero, and Ledgendary have not earned any merits till October of 2018 are 83%, 82.6%, 79.8%, 73.3%, and 47.2%, respectively. Amongst all ranks, Ledgendary is a outstanding one with nearly 47% of them have not received any merit. Ranks from Member to Senior Member (even with Hero Member) are almost the same.
Detailed statistics given below.
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Member27 9184 744 (17%)23 174  (83%)
Full Member18 1813 173 (17,45%)15 008  (82,55%)
Sr. Member9 0161 818 (20,16%)7 198  (79,84%)
Hero Member4 1431 105 (26,67%)3 038  (73,33%)
Legendary2 1451 133 (52,82%)1 012  (47,18%)
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I don't want to fall into arguments there, but it's something like unfair system, even for lower-ranks, of course above Junior Member rank.
Do you agree at this point?
How fair the forum and merit system, rank system are if someone started as a Newbie and get 100 merits to rank up to Full Member rank. In another case, someone who is a Full Member and will not get any merit over the next one year, will be able to stay at Full member, forever.
It will become more clearly unfair for higher ranks, such as Senior, Hero and Ledgendary ranks.

Outside the forum, in real life, in some nations, there are strict requirements on professors, associate professors that they have to satisfy strict criteria, which require them to have new contribution, new project, new published scientific articles during speficic period in order to be as Professors / Associate professors. If they can satisfy those criteria, they will be demoted (as Junior Member rank witnessed weeks ago in the forum).

The merit system discussion always target the spammers having low ranked account.  And your suggestion seems to address the issue of spammers having high-ranked account.  I hope theymos will consider this one.

Given the table above, assuming that the percentage represents members who only spam and cannot earn even a single merit since inception of the merit system, then almost half of the Legendary rank are spammers.  I think this number is alarming if we are really dedicated to lessen the number of spammers in this forum.
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Re: MYTHBUSTERS: Only high ranked users are rewarded with merits
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xfactor13
on 16/10/2018, 02:33:21 UTC

I was going to send you 1 Merit for this post but I checked out your post history & it’s littered with Bounty Hunting spam so I’m not going to now, sorry.

You’ll never rank up if the majority of your posts are in that shit hole of the forum. More posts like this though & you’ll rank up.

I always find this argument really funny.  This is the one reason why so many newbies argue that it is really hard to earn a merit.  They will post a decent and high-quality post and you will point out that they do not deserve it because of their other posts.  Then what will happen? that newbie will be discouraged because he cannot remove/delete his past posts and cannot turn to a new leaf and will be forever be judged because of his past post and will never earn (or be lessened the chance to earn) a single merit in the future.

But it really isn't hard. People shouldn't have to just make one good post and then they're good to go. Any idiot can do that, and once they have it they then don't have to bother making any more good posts because Christmas has come early for them. They can just go back to shitposting again, so that's why they should have to demonstrate they're not a one-hit wonder and can make a handful of decent posts. This is why I would argue we should make the requirement ten merit, and I actually think it will make things easier for everyone. People will be more liberal with their merits and so users are more likely to get merited, and shitposters won't be able to abuse the system as easy. When one merit is all you need to earn here people become weary about giving that user a license to get paid, and making one solitary good post really isn't enough to measure their capability especially when you can just beg, buy or trade the merit quite easily.



But your argument neglects one thing, and that is the hierarchy of ranking.  There is a reason why we need different number of merits per rank.  If that member deserves that one merit, then he deserves it.  If he will get another merit from other posts from him, then that will depend upon his future posts.

Merit system is introduced to reduce spammers (and it is really working).  More than that, it is to prevent spammers from ranking up.  If that spammer only deserves to be in jr member (because he only made one good post that deserve only 1 merit, then go for it), and merit system already doing its job of letting that spammer stay in jr member forever (member needs 10 merit).

Or you just want all the spammers to stay in newbie forever? I think you are fighting a losing battle in this part.  You will never able to completely eradicate them, but at the very least the current merit system is preventing them to grow in numbers and rank up at the very least beyond jr. member or member.
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Re: MYTHBUSTERS: Only high ranked users are rewarded with merits
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xfactor13
on 16/10/2018, 02:21:14 UTC

I was going to send you 1 Merit for this post but I checked out your post history & it’s littered with Bounty Hunting spam so I’m not going to now, sorry.

You’ll never rank up if the majority of your posts are in that shit hole of the forum. More posts like this though & you’ll rank up.

I always find this argument really funny.  This is the one reason why so many newbies argue that it is really hard to earn a merit.  They will post a decent and high-quality post and you will point out that they do not deserve it because of their other posts.  Then what will happen? that newbie will be discouraged because he cannot remove/delete his past posts and cannot turn to a new leaf and will be forever be judged because of his past post and will never earn (or be lessened the chance to earn) a single merit in the future.

Think of it this way:

Let's say you have a colleague at work. This colleague has been there for a while - say twelve months. They aren't a good worker. They don't pull their weight and in meetings they generally just repeat the same meaningless nonsense over and over again, getting in the way of actual conversation and progress. They are rude, abrasive and obnoxious. Every time that they've spoken to you it has been to either bad mouth another colleague or try to sell you some bath bomb from the multi-level marketing scam they are involved in.

Suddenly and out of the blue, after a year or more of being lazy and rude, one morning this colleague starts being really friendly with you and offering to do some of your workload. What is your initial thought? "Wow, they are a better person now - I know, I'll go buy them a coffee and some doughnuts"? Of course not. You would be immediately suspicious and wonder what thing or favor they want from you.

Now, lets say that person is friendly to everyone and works hard all day and asks for nothing in return. And then does it again the next day. And for the rest of the week. And for the rest of the month. After a while you think "Finally this person has turned over a new leaf", and you start inviting them along to your Friday evening post-work drinks.

Merit is the same. One good post is not enough to erase months and months of shitposting, especially when it is obvious that as soon as the newbie gets that one merit they are desperate for, they will just go back to shitposting again. If you show a sustained change over weeks and months, then as has been pointed out already, merit will come your way.

How about this analogy?

Let us say that for each day a person accomplishes something good or performs wonderful then he will get a chocolate. Then there is this :

"Let's say you have a colleague at work. This colleague has been there for a while - say twelve months. They aren't a good worker. They don't pull their weight and in meetings they generally just repeat the same meaningless nonsense over and over again, getting in the way of actual conversation and progress. They are rude, abrasive and obnoxious. Every time that they've spoken to you it has been to either bad mouth another colleague or try to sell you some bath bomb from the multi-level marketing scam they are involved in."

So that person did not earn a single chocolate for the past twelve months (just because he/she did not deserve it).

Then "Suddenly and out of the blue, after a year or more of being lazy and rude, one morning this colleague starts being really friendly with you and offering to do some of your workload."

Are you going to give him/her a chocolate for performing good for that day? or still withhold that chocolate because of his/her poor performance for the past year?

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Re: MYTHBUSTERS: Only high ranked users are rewarded with merits
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xfactor13
on 15/10/2018, 03:45:17 UTC
⭐ Merited by LoyceV (1)

I was going to send you 1 Merit for this post but I checked out your post history & it’s littered with Bounty Hunting spam so I’m not going to now, sorry.

You’ll never rank up if the majority of your posts are in that shit hole of the forum. More posts like this though & you’ll rank up.

I always find this argument really funny.  This is the one reason why so many newbies argue that it is really hard to earn a merit.  They will post a decent and high-quality post and you will point out that they do not deserve it because of their other posts.  Then what will happen? that newbie will be discouraged because he cannot remove/delete his past posts and cannot turn to a new leaf and will be forever be judged because of his past post and will never earn (or be lessened the chance to earn) a single merit in the future.


I think it’d be much better if 10 Merit’s were required to rank up to Junior. I’m in a pickle here because that post is Meritable imo but I don’t want to be responsible for somebody earning money from the forum if they constantly post in Bounty threads.
If 10 was required I would definitely have Merited him.

This is weird coming from someone who uses his/her signature to promote something related to crypto/bitcoin.  Anyhow, your argument is just like a false dichotomy.  You can be a quality poster while doing bounty at the same time.  If your argument is what really is beneficial to the forum, then why not suggest to remove the "bounties board" altogether?  There are so many quality posters and doing bounty campaign at the same time.  You cannot prevent users of this forum to just choose one.



but I think Juniors should have their signatures removed completely and you only get one until you get ten merit and become a Member.

This concern is always being discussed all over the forum and there is always one conclusion.  It is the responsibility of the bounty hunters to manage the credibility and quality of the posts of its bounty hunters.
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Re: Bitcointalk Support
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xfactor13
on 15/10/2018, 03:19:31 UTC
Many here ignore the fact that the accounts of this forum have its value "because of the possibility of getting money from the signatures campaigns" so selling it and then claiming to be hacked is a beneficial policy.
I think this is one of the reasons why we need to have a better way of helping to recover hacked accounts.  People are interested in hacking bitcointalk accounts because they see it as worthy to be hacked (because of the earnings in signature campaigns).

Regarding the "seeling [accounts] and claiming to be hacked", we can have a proper procedure in this one.  And if someone is verified to sell an account, we can put negative trusts on that account.


The process of restoring these accounts requires careful investigation of their own and then access to the sensitive data to be restored.


How about bitcointalk to have a "recover team" for this one?  Gone are the days that bitcointalk account is just a simple forum account.  As the value and importance of bitcointalk account increases, we are gaining the attention of the hackers because of the value of the accounts and the poor security concerns and security actions of bitcointalk management.

Prevention is better than cure

How about having a pinned post regarding the proper way to prevent being scammed or being hacked?
Users who have been hacked can share their experiences for people to learn from their mistakes and not repeat it.
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Re: What can we do to stop redundant full quotes?
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xfactor13
on 12/10/2018, 02:52:50 UTC
This has been mentioned so many times, but it is still prolific, and it includes Heroes and Legendaries who really should know better.
When I run into this I do 2 things. I try to educate them, by directing them to a topic I created [Tips] Posting technique

I'm on here for long enough stretches browsing at times where there is no discussion I want to be a part of atm, so I take a minute or two.

There are so many pinned posts that educate newbies about this forum.  Some contains rules and regulations, merit system, ranking, and etc.  Yet I rarely see the topic about using quotation (and the proper usage of it).  I think we need a pinned post regarding this one to educate newbies like me.

SMF has the option to remove nested quotes. Do you think it would be beneficial if this was implemented here?
If you remove nested quotes, then you will ruin the discussion of the thread.  The best way is to educate new members of this forum.  Or you can set an option wherein you can limit the characters that you can quote? By this way you can set a limit and regulate users on their posts with quotation.