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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 01/08/2018, 17:23:21 UTC
Nice to see all the developments and new websites. Unfortunately, now my link to the IRC chatlog no longer works. Where can I find it these days?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 31/05/2018, 14:00:11 UTC
..... but first, we have to normalize the project a bit and get the basics right in order to create optimum leverage for the technology.
Great to hear this! Anything you guys need from the community? Webmaster? Documentation? Blogging? Testing? Marketing?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 07/05/2018, 19:57:23 UTC
It's been a long time since i was here. I have my omni tokens stored away in a bitcoin cold wallet. Do I need to update things or are my agoras (#58) still allright?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 24/09/2017, 22:41:20 UTC
on tau, advanced users define languages, and normal users use (speak) those languages.
to define languages one needs to know to define a context free grammar (the syntax part) and then to write logical formulas that express which relations are implied from derivation trees (the semantics part).
any knowledge about how compilers are built can be useful.

it is all about formal languages. the platform is not intended to support natural languages

Thanks. That is very helpful. I'll leave this here for those reading along: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N2N7zJGrQ&list=PLBlnK6fEyqRgp46KUv4ZY69yXmpwKOIev
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 21/09/2017, 22:41:26 UTC
Great to see everything is quiet again around here  Smiley

If Tau is ready - someday, when it is ready - I presume the work only begins. As a community. What is a smart roadmap to:
1) Get educated in the right fields to be able to use/program Tau? What should neccesarily be learned already?
2) How to get some experience, before Tau's ready, that is useful? What language? Or knowledge? Or skills?

Basically: What's is relevant to have done to be prepared once this network is up and running and Tau needs some serious usecases and testing?
As I mentioned here. I am still wondering what needs to be done once Tau is up and running. To have tau make use of semantics we probably need a lot of useable contextual data that allows tau to interpret transactions and (business)logic in a meaningful, automated manner. Is there a structure, ontology, nomenclature or some sort of thesaurus we could build already, as a community, to come prepared?

good and important question, and could be very relevant for the old tau, but irrelevant for the new tau.
the new tau features what i refer to as "the internet of languages", a platform to define formal languages (by formally defining their syntax and semantics) with tools allowing semantics-preserving translation between defined languages, and more.
the infrastructure of the new tau, is a mechanism to define and connect languages.
so (almost?) any ontology or framework will be programmable on tau, with or without connecting it to more languages.
Thanks Ohad,

First of all: Keep up the good work. I admire what you are doing and look forward to a future with tau.

Great that you were able to take the time to answer my question. I did not know about "the internet of languages". Question remains: what can I do, as an engineer that is full time dedicated to the blockchain industry, to be well prepared before Tau launches? What do I need once tau is real? What standardization is required or what language can i learn to be able to use tau? Please point me (us) to useful resources we need to know about once we're there.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 21/09/2017, 10:58:02 UTC
Great to see everything is quiet again around here  Smiley

If Tau is ready - someday, when it is ready - I presume the work only begins. As a community. What is a smart roadmap to:
1) Get educated in the right fields to be able to use/program Tau? What should neccesarily be learned already?
2) How to get some experience, before Tau's ready, that is useful? What language? Or knowledge? Or skills?

Basically: What's is relevant to have done to be prepared once this network is up and running and Tau needs some serious usecases and testing?
As I mentioned here. I am still wondering what needs to be done once Tau is up and running. To have tau make use of semantics we probably need a lot of useable contextual data that allows tau to interpret transactions and (business)logic in a meaningful, automated manner. Is there a structure, ontology, nomenclature or some sort of thesaurus we could build already, as a community, to come prepared?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 23/08/2017, 19:44:05 UTC
Great to see everything is quiet again around here  Smiley

If Tau is ready - someday, when it is ready - I presume the work only begins. As a community. What is a smart roadmap to:
1) Get educated in the right fields to be able to use/program Tau? What should neccesarily be learned already?
2) How to get some experience, before Tau's ready, that is useful? What language? Or knowledge? Or skills?

Basically: What's is relevant to have done to be prepared once this network is up and running and Tau needs some serious usecases and testing?
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 16/08/2017, 13:43:25 UTC
It's very difficult to understand all of this. I guess possibly for 99%+ of us here. What's going on? Who are these people? And these other projects? Anyone care to elaborate? Will this stall the project? Is there a risk of a dead end?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 28/05/2017, 18:50:33 UTC

turing complete languages leave you helpless predicting what your code is going to do, except the "wait and see" way
Ohad, can you give us an example of this? Show us how it would work, because I don't understand how it works. Smiley

I can try to give you an analogy. Let's take cargo ships for instance.

Generalist ships can carry stuff of all shape and form with no restriction other than their size and weight limits: space rockets, airplanes, cranes, train wagons, whatever. It's cool because you can really carry anything. But it comes with its own difficulties: it's pretty much impossible to plan in advance how exactly you are going to arrange the things you need to load so that they will fit neatly and optimally and won't move during the trip. Sometimes your guys at the dock will manage to find a solution quick. Sometimes they'll have to load and unload things so many times that it seems like it takes forever. And that's when you don't have someone asking you to ship something so enormous that it blocks your docks for a week when you figure how to ship it at all. This type of ship is turing complete. In theory it could ship the moon. It could ship anything of any size if you have an infinitely large ship, and infinite number of dockers and an infinite amount of time. But in practice that doesn't really work like that, and the actual ships that end ups being used are all limited in size, and your docks have only that many cranes and that many dockers to help. Those ships are a watered down finite version of the real thing. So what happens with the real-life finite turing ships is that they work ok until it don't. And you can't really tell in advance when things are going to be smooth at the dock or when it will become really messy because the only way to decide how things gonna fit and what ship to use is to try to fit them in the ships. Of course there are many trivial shipments but the problem is you have no guarantees that a shipment will be easy to handle, difficult or downright impossible. But that's not the worse thing: the nightmare of turing-complete shippers is the outsourcing business, that is to say when another shipping company asks them to ship the cargo of their clients who may themselves be shipping companies outsourcing for other shipping companies and so on. Since they are all in the same business of turing-complete shipping as you are, they can't tell what the size of their cargo will be, and their clients don't know either etc. And if you yourself start to outsource unknowingly to one of the clients of one of your own client, that's where things start becoming self-referent and in some cases paradoxal, leading to capacity planning decisions that are sometime inconsistent.

Some other ships are specialized in carrying containers. They can carry only containers, and all the containers need to have exactly the same dimensions. No exception allowed. The containers are spacious, and inside the containers you can arrange things the way you want so it's not a problem for a large majority of the typical use cases. This type of ships is called total functional ships. The advantage is that even a 10-year-old could tell you just how many containers you can load on your ship if you give him the dimensions of the deck and the height limit so it's really easy to make sure that you always have the exact right capacity for your cargo, and your dock is working in continuous streaming loading container after container and ship after ship 24/7. But the problem is that you just can't carry anything larger than a container, making the shipping solution non-complete. Well, in fact there is a little secret: with some coordination you can carry anything of any size, but you'll need your customers to be smart and figure a way to breakdown the cargo into components that can fit in a container. You'll still be able to ship a plane, a rocket, the moon or even the whole infinite universe, but it will all have to be done in small parts, chunks and/or raw materials, that you will reassemble on the other end, effectively recovering the full expressiveness of what turing-complete ships are able to do, but over a controlled sequence of individual containers possibly carried by an infinity of ships. That requires a lot more thinking and engineering ahead of time than just shipping things piecemeal, but the reward is that at least at the time the cargo arrives at the dock, you don't have to worry that it could be too big to handle, and there is always a solution to the questions of how to load the cargo and how long it will take to your dockers to do the job. Like in the case of turing-complete shippers, you can also handle the outsourcing business of other containers shippers and outsource yourself, but since everybody can forecast what they are going to ship because nobody accepts cargo that's not already been quantified, it's impossible in the total functional shipping business to get requirements like "I will ship through you what is being shipped through me" but rather requirements like "I will ship 159 containers". This forced determination in relationships prevents the occurrence of self-referent cargo and guarantees that capacity planning leads to results that are always consistent.

In this analogy, Tau-Chain is a container ship company and Ethereum a generalist ship company.

Tau-chain can tell to its client how much their cargo will cost to ship, how long its gonna take and when a single ship isn't enough and will use all and any container ship available of any size regardless and manage to dispatch all the cargo optimally. It can make all sorts of predictions on the shipping like checking that weight is well balanced, or that temperature in the containers remains within a certain range etc. Clients can attach to containers  fast automated procedures called proofs which took them quite some time to prepare but that will allow to clear automatically and very fast custom, security, and quality controls at the arrival point so that the cargo can be deployed right away to its intended use and used on the spot. Another interesting aspect of Tau-chain is that it finds its container system (Tau) so good that the company decided to eat its own dog food and sequence itself in a continuously evolving series of its own containers with custom procedures to maintain its own integrity as it evolves.

Ethereum on the other hand can't quite tell in advance just how big a ship will be needed for any specific cargo nor if it will fit at all in any ship, so what it does is to let the client decide themselves what size of ship they want to use (the client would typically simulate a dock in his backyard to try to predict what volume his cargo could take) and make them pay for the service in advance. When the cargo arrives at the dock, if it fits in the planned ship Ethereum sends the ship even if it's not full. And if the cargo doesn't fit, it's just thrown in the sea. Either way they keep the money. Cargo doesn't come with any sort of automated clearance test, so it's up to their intended users to figure if the cargo is correct and have it pass all clearance tests before they can use it safely (which is never entirely certain as the case of the DAO has shown).

I hope this analogy helps making these computing paradigms less abstract. There are many approximations and concepts that I had to stretch to makes them work with the analogy and are not really exact but that should give a rough idea of the differences, and how these affect the distributed computers that implement them.

After the response on reddit by 'just some guy' i'm interested in what experts here think about this (https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/6doeqc/what_does_ethroll_take_so_long/di53vny/):
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Cargo doesn't come with any sort of automated clearance test, so it's up to their intended users to figure if the cargo is correct and have it pass all clearance tests before they can use it safely (which is never entirely certain as the case of the DAO has shown).
vbuterin: I really have to push back against this part of the description. The vast majority of attacks against smart contracts, and smart contract bugs, have nothing whatsoever to do with the Turing complete versus bounded execution dichotomy.
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 20/04/2017, 18:21:37 UTC

great idea! but can come in addition, not instead, because some people want to move between their own wallets from time to time.
we can set that when the final coins will be ready, addresses that hold the tokens, will get more coins, according to the so-called "coin days".
the numbers are obvious: we'll do it relatively to the 15% discount.
so, another way to get the 15% discount, is simply not to move your tokens from the 1st of march which is about two weeks from now (this doesn't hold for tokens held on bittrex). i'll write it publicly somewhere.
I just read this now. I have my tokens on bittrex. Is this still recent? Can I still opt-in for the 15%? How to get my coins in a cold-storage? Thanks. Anyone.
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Re: Tezos: A Self-Amending Crypto-Ledger
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zooitje
on 22/05/2016, 07:57:40 UTC
If i understand correctly this project became somewhat obsolete with tau-chain.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950309.msg14904326#msg14904326
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Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network
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zooitje
on 18/05/2016, 17:29:20 UTC
What do you guys think of http://www.tezos.com?

Is it comparable to Tau-Chain and Agoras? Once released, will Tau-Chain and Tezos compete, complement each other or neither?

Thanks. Keep up the good work. I really appreciate and admire the work you all do.
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Re: Mt Gox is dead.
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zooitje
on 25/03/2014, 17:58:00 UTC
maybe they found the missing 650k http://theblogchain.com/news/mtgox-found-bitcoin/
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looking for PHP script that charts transactions to/from an address
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zooitje
on 14/03/2014, 17:48:35 UTC
I can't find any script that does just this.

I want the script to genereate a graph through time that plots (cumulative) incoming transactions (eg in USD/Euro). It is probably out there but i can't find it. Anyone?
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Re: Ethereum: 2nd gen cryptocurrency with contract programming, "dagger" hashing
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zooitje
on 24/01/2014, 22:19:32 UTC
I absolutely trust V Buterin. I've met him once (wich doesn't say anything because it was meaningless). But i trust him as a person. Of course we all do not know if buying ETH is a good thing or smart to do at all. All i know: this is the way he and the team chose to do it. And if i analyse what the offer is... it's pretty damn good if you ask me...

It is always hard to tell, still.... at least i'm holding some BTC ready for the transfer. I've never exchanged BTC to fiat. I've only bought stuff or was holding for the longest time.. But this is the first time i consider exchanging my BTC.

Please help out: Should I?
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Re: accepteer gemakkelijk Bitcoins op je website
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zooitje
on 18/03/2013, 13:42:51 UTC
Hai,

heb de api even uitgetest en bij mij werkt de qrcode niet goed, als ik deze scan vanuit, bijv de blockchain app, dan gebeurt er niks.
scan ik het gewoon vanuit een andere app dan staat er alleen maar dit: bitcoin:?amount=&label=

gr roland.
hoe ben je naar de betaalpagina gelinkt? Het lijkt alsof je geen bedrag hebt opgegeven. Werkt het linkje onder het hashadres of het handmatig invoeren (copy paste) wel? Ik heb alleen getest met bitcoinspinner. je kunt dat installeren om te proberen.
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accepteer gemakkelijk Bitcoins op je website
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zooitje
on 17/03/2013, 00:05:19 UTC
ik heb een eenvoudig betaalsysteem geprogrammeerd in PHP die je kunt gebruiken om op websites betalingen in Bitcoins te accepteren.

met een beetje programmeer ervaring heb je deze software in tien minuten geïnstalleerd. het is dan ook vrij simpel. het vereist wel een account bij MtGox.

veel plezier ermee: https://github.com/zooitje/ultra-simple-Bitcoin-merchant


knip uit de README FILE:

ultra simple Bitcoin merchant

a (very) simple Bitcoin payment system in PHP written conform the Lazy API (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Lazy_API)

features
- offer Bitcoin payments on your website in minutes
- quick setup
- easy configuration
- suitable for the incompetent webdeveloper
- few lines of code
- multi language (french, spanish, portuguese, dutch, english)
- multi currency (USD and EUR)
- no database
- no pesky filesystem rights issues
- no shopping cart
- no order handling
- no backend
- no formatting and stylesheets
- easy to implement in existing websites
- easy expandable
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Re: Worried about coins being lost? You have bigger worries!
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zooitje
on 16/03/2013, 00:32:30 UTC
I had a very good explanation on this subject by one of the mods of the board. For me it has become quite acceptable that the wealth distribution isn't that bad after all and gets better over time.

read it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153238.0
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Re: Interesting topic in Economics
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zooitje
on 16/03/2013, 00:26:39 UTC
Thank you for your time and effort writing this thorough explanation. I will certainly spread this around as i've seen the question pop up but never saw the answer you provided here.

In combination with your earlier remark (many practical reasons why we can expect that the distribution of bitcoins will improve over time as the value increases and early adopters choose to divest) a very plausible explanation.

Thanks again!
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Re: Interesting topic in Economics
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zooitje
on 15/03/2013, 13:01:20 UTC
You're wrong, but I don't have the time to explain why.
I understand you're busy. Thanks for reading along.

What i don't understand is that this major (possible) risk is not thoroughly explained anywhere else (as i can find). It should be on the Bitcoin.org website. And i'm surprised that it seems that i'm the first to mention this here (as i'm very new to Bitcoin).

I sure hope someone else who understands this better than i do has the time to explain this sword of Damocles possibly hovering above the Bitcoin ecosystem. Or maybe throw me a link somwhere.

As i said before, i want to be able to explain this to people around me in order to inform them on using Bitcoin. And that is my main purpose of starting this thread: having a credible explanation on this matter.