Quote from: LightRider on May 10, 2011, 02:30:34 AM

Quote from: gareth69 on May 10, 2011, 12:34:36 AM

Zeitgeist is pure fail.

I watched the whole film. It simply posits, that there will be no scarcity....I mean lol?
It then postulates that some means of resource allocation mechanism will become available, probably based on "computers". Our current best computer systems can't even predict the weather, the markets or any non-linear, chaotic, feedback system well. Somehow the Zeitgeist gods will fix it though...don't hold your breath though since the producers of the film don't seem to have any grasp of computation.

One of the founders states that human societies should be "emergent", and that we live in an imposed system; our current crappy monetary system. However, it then goes on to *impose* it's own **non emergent** solution...Irony much!?

Now think of this...you live in a wonderfull concentric domed city, like in the movie, called domed-ville. We live in a nearby city called Liberty-ville. There's a shared water table between the two cities, with only enough water to feed one city.....

Well the Zeitgeist people have declared an end to scarcity....this is the new resource based economy afterall. Meanwhile their computer has decided that the resources belong to everybody! Trouble is, people in liberty-ville being a little more pragmatic, have an issue with this...oh and they have lots of guns.

There are a variety of ways to overcome water shortages using technical solutions. Using violence is not a long term solution and in fact is more wasteful. Would you rather live in a society that used their brains or their guns to solve problems?

Light, perhaps you'd care to use your brain, and not cherry pick and quote something out of context. Please answer these basic problems with ZG.

Do *you* agree with the *non agression principle*. No one in Libertyville is going to harm a single hair on your back. They only use force in self defence.

You have not explained *how* there is no scacity, you simply postulate "various technologies". Great we can do that too in Libertyville, there is no scacity! In fact *any* belief system can state it, not just the ZG movement. To differentiate itself ZG must explain *how* it will achieve this.

Who gets what, the basic economic problem. Again, more postulates about some undefined "resource allocator". What happens when a resource belonging to Libertyville or any individual is assigned to someone else? If you agree with the *non agression principle* how do you propose to allocate the resouces of millions of people who don't asctibe to the ZG sytem.

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