Quote from: pooya87 on July 24, 2019, 04:30:55 AM

Quote from: asenski on June 14, 2019, 08:34:57 PM

Using a single step plain hash for brain wallets is definitely a bad idea. But I like the WarpWallet approach.

So far it has stood the test of time even with a password of just 8 alpha-numeric characters. (not even salt)

The key difference is that there are so many iterations instead of a single hash that brute-forcing those keys would not really be feasible (yet).

actually the main difference is in usage of a key derivation function called "scrypt" which is a memory expensive KDF and with decent settings it can become very expensive to break. N=2¹⁸ and r=8 are the "cost" that are making it expensive since you are basically deriving a 1024 byte long key and then mixing it in 8 blocks, 2¹⁸ times then deriving another key with that mixed key both times using PBKDF2.
by the way the "s2" variable it uses is quite pointless in my opinion, they could have just increase block size factor from 8 to a bigger value!

and finally i have to mention that even with this much complication, this implementation is also suffering from the same flaws as any other brain wallet: people are not capable of creating a truly random password. most of them will use simple terms which can be found/guesses easily.
setting a couple of complicated passwords as challenge doesn't mean the method is safe. you could do the same thing with other brainwallets too!

Agree that the s2 variable is pointless. The point I was making was that this is a much safer brain wallet, given that people don't use easy to guess input.
I'd still prefer WarpWallet to remembering 12 words. You can use things you'd never forget for master & salt, but are not that common or easy to guess.
There is no way you can remember 12 words for years to come without writing them somewhere. Which also means that they could easily be stolen or lost.

Quote from: ryanc on July 22, 2019, 01:03:11 AM

Don't use WarpWallet, the manual key management is a nightmare, and it uses uncompressed addresses. Just memorize a random 12 word seed phrase.

Yes, they should've generated compressed keys, but that can be fixed easily.

Quote from: almightyruler on July 22, 2019, 10:51:27 PM

Quote from: asenski on June 14, 2019, 08:34:57 PM

There are still 10 BTC sitting there as a reward to whoever can guess the 8 alphanumeric characters. (this one has pre-defined salt)

Do you mean "The WarpWallet Challenge 2"? Check the address, the 10 BTC was moved out in January 2018. The text also says that the challenge expires 1st Jan 2018.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1MkupVKiCik9iyfnLrJoZLx9RH4rkF3hnA

Right. They had the prior challenge for 2 years, and it wasn't cracked until the expiration date.

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