Quote from: Sandia on September 01, 2014, 09:00:46 PM

I don't know anyone who owns a single satoshi anymore. All 5 of my friends have sold and won't be back when they saw they were down $60-120/coin, somewhere around $50k in investors. The 2 guys who used to talk to me about btc think I am trying to scam them. My neighbor used btc to get a discount on a new laptop; he bought them literally at the last possible second so that they price would not drop during the time that they were in his address.

There are 3 main classes of btc owners, IMO:
- the majority with less than 5 coins
- the middle with 5-300 coins
- the bigger guys

These drops are not about btc value. They are not about price discovery. It has nothing to do with TA. It is just the big guys taking money from the smaller guys. I have spent 7 months staring at the charts and watching buy/sells scroll buy. Every drop is started by 200, 250, 300, 350 coins market sells, followed by more large sells, then the rest with 1-10 coins trying frantically not to lose money (which of course the always do). The big guys have their buy orders a few percent off the top, buy back in. Rinse and repeat day after day, as the price drops day after day, so the big guys can make their easy profits. And then defend the 7k dump on Bitfinex as natural market movement. And defend the big dump on BTC-e a few days later as a natural market movement. And complain that people refuse to buy the price up for your next dump.

We are not in a bear market. We are in a market where the big guys make more money on dumps than price increases. And dumps are SO much easier.

The smug big guys in this thread like to say we are in accumulation phase. No, we aren't. We are in the "take the newbies' money" stage. They are also the guys who encourage trading, instead of holding. See, they don't make money from you when you only hold your coins, they need you on an exchange. Goldman, etc., are replaced by anyone who holds 1 or 2k coins and can initiate dumps or walls.

Some of the big guys here are talking about $300 coins. Good luck with that, I hope you achieve it. Everyone except you will have sold and left btc. Everyone else will have lost half their money and left the technology for good. You will likely get $50, $25, $10, $1 coins, too. A Pyrrhic victory.

This short term thinking drives the price down, hinders new adoption, and drives out anyone who has adopted recently. Remember that when you see the charts that say btc adoption has stagnated: why would the average person hold coins that have dropped over 20% in the last 2 months and 60% in 9 months, for exactly no reason? Why would a newbie even CONSIDER buying btc when he is guaranteed to lose money?

I am thinking about dropping out of trading myself. I will keep a percentage of my coins in a cold wallet, sell the rest. This crap happening in the market is unbearable. I would rather deal with wallet street than bitcoin markets.

And no, I haven't lost coins trading. That is only because my trades rarely last over an hour.

This is also what I have been noticing. The invisible "bullying" is occurring and has been for at least a few weeks now. Smaller guys are being bent over on trades and then double fucked by the FUD on the forums. Its like knocking a guy down but instead of allowing his head to hit the floor blast him with a massive uppercut so that his head goes back up and then come down on him with a tremendous hammer fist to knock him back down and repeat. In the end what you have is a comatosed rag doll being ping ponged up and down. If you are a hodler, you will be psychologically attacked to shake the coins loose, if you are on the fence, the price and the FUD will most likely do you in. In this environment, what you have is a trapped bunch of rats who don't know whether to burn in a sinking ship or drown in the freezing water. As I've said before keep your wits about you. This is a game of destabililzation and you should choose wisely what your moves are going to be. Amateur traders...don't play this game, hodlers...hodl, the rest...sell and cry doomsday. Free country free choice.

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