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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 30, 2015, 05:40:41 PM

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it's more like math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems, i.e. chaotic systems, e.g. weather, turbulence, market behaviour. ..

A picture is worth 1000 monkeys right?

http://dp8hsntg6do36.cloudfront.net/53695e6b69702d3910050000/low.webm

So i guess that by that you are saying that math is so developed it can even describe the formation of the whole universe because you watched a video of a computer model?.

And andytoshi said "I'm not sure what you mean by "math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems". I have a math degree and several published papers in mathematics and I can't for the life of me square this claim with actual work in the field. "

So neither of you are aware of some fundamental unsolved maths problems which appear quite mundane, like a complete model for how turbulence works: "In particular, solutions of the NavierStokes equations often include turbulence, which remains one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics, despite its immense importance in science and engineering."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_existence_and_smoothness
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/why-global-regularity-for-navier-stokes-is-hard/

or until a few years ago we didn't even have a model for how sound waves actually work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_acoustics

both complex systems....math not work yet (ok non-linear acoustics was just found...)

And my point that it is more secure to remove information from a system than to keep it in the system encoded, which means you don't need cryptography for all parts of a cryptocurrency, was avoided.

ay, no offense but youre a dumbass. i just read your posts and all of them are wrong. your copy pasting stuff from wikipedia and have no clue about any of it.

post starts with 'you are stupid' - you must be an XMR investor?

i will try to make my point clearer, maybe i am not communicating well enough:

DRK anonymity - does not rely on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is not accessible after the anonimization

XMR anonymity - relies on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is accessible in the blockchain (encrypted) at any time after the anonimization

...then my understanding is people like andytoshi are saying 'you have to use cryptography' and xmr people are saying 'there has to be mathematical proof' to prove the anonimity is secure - my references to complex systems were trying to explain this isn't true. what has cryptography got to do with moving information out of a system (by making it more ambiguous)? how is using a process like cryptography better in this case? encrypting the info to deanonimize e.g. a darknet transaction and storing it on the blockchain in-perpetuity seems like a really dumb idea for anyone who cares about security. (and yes i am aware that drk's anonymity system uses cryptography for the underlying system)

this is supposed to be an 'XMR vs DRK' thread, I haven't seen this point yet, everyone who just calls me stupid instead of showing how the above is stupid *is stupid* Cheesy

i sadly bought into darkcoin dash, this was before i found out about its instamine, and im hoping to sell if it pumps again to get out of this dog shit.

lets get a few things straight. cryptography that monero uses is like the blockchain itself, so breaking into it is near impossible, just as breaking into bitcoins blockchain is near impossible. darkcoin dash uses a much dumber approach to anonymity, all darkcoin dash does is mix the components of the coin. incase you didnt know, mixing can always be reversed, it might take a bit of time to do but you can always reverse a transaction that has been mixed. i feel literal pain reading the dogshit that you type, need to get an aspirin.

' i feel literal pain reading the dogshit that you type' - you must be a monero investor ®

'cryptography that monero uses is like the blockchain itself, so breaking into it is near impossible, just as breaking into bitcoins blockchain is near impossible. '

that's not correct, cryptonote uses it's own system for the cryptography as i understand it.

and that system is the gatekeeper that prevents people in the future from deanonimizing your XMR transactions (assuming someone doesn't steal/extort/confiscate your viewkey or the PC that it lives on)

and people have speculated that Cryptonote has vulnerabilities in it (nothing to do with Bitcion's code which has been vetted 1000s of times and proved in the market)

one example is Berstein said elliptic curve's signature generation algorithm should use a deterministic random to eliminate dependency on random generation derived from external events.

Cryptonote added nondeterministic randoms through the random_scalar function...so that's an implanted vulneability.

I haven't read the code so IDK, but when I raise the response is not 'here is the code and it's not true' or 'yes we fixed that already', it's 'get your tinfoil hats on'

and you right i type dogshit? how can you sit there and type that to someone trying to discuss the topic on the thread you are in (and setup buy the coin you suport) lol?

EDIT: i'm done here, in all the 13 months of all the alts, xmr is *the* shittiest community around. i wouldn't invest if it was the last currency on earth. lol

thats exactly what i said about darkcoin dash. i bought in at .024 and didnt know it had a instamine, now im out of luck and fucked. darkcoin dash is hiding its instamine from people, that scam doodooshit community. i dont know much about about cryptocurrencies generally but i know how to code. I found out about monero a few days ago and monero does has a way better anonymity than darkcoin dash since mixing can always be unraveled. moneros anonymity uses ring signatures and thats been around before bitcoin even existed, so its impossible to break.

Quote from: Vispicious on March 29, 2015, 01:54:03 AM

Hey, I'm a cryptocurrency "investor" if you call it that. I was looking for coins to buy in. I already chose Monero and Bitcoindark, then I came across DASH and thought why not. Then I searched more and found out DASH HAD A INSTAMINE??? WTF! Does anyone have more info? I came across 6 threads talking about the instamine, how bad was it? I dont want biased replies from DASH bagholders either.

Is it true? Was 2million fucking DASH coins, 50% of the damn supply mined in the first 48 hours??!! I want fucking answers, finding this out was like getting punched in the gut. If this coin got instamined at its release, fuck this shit!

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