Quote from: bitcoinnoisseur on November 21, 2014, 03:39:10 AM

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Quote from: elrugrim on November 20, 2014, 09:19:49 PM

Why are you being so defensive bitcoinnoisseur?

All These threads have been stating is that in any postings about GAW that come from these mythical media companies that will be doing stories on them, the fixation of the level of formal educational honor's given? Not the most effective or useful arguement to make on it. There are Plenty of better arguements. The arguement can be made, but the target audience, there is going to be a % of people that resonates with someone when they are being critiqued on their educational level. Thus not very effective propoganda.

I don't look at records, I get to listen to my wife complain about people who can't figure out basic requirements and call when information is readily and freely available in multiple ways and forms. So my wife isn't legally causing issues, though I love how you want to try and make it an issue of law. So cute! My wife? Yes, she has a degree, and I'm happy for her. Degree's are not bad things, they are just not holy writ nor should they be treated as such. Eventually, she will make more then me because of it, I hope, and then maybe I can enjoy life as a kept man! It would be nice.

I already said that examples to the contrary are in the minority, so why are you so fixated on this irrationally Bit? Seriously. Step back, read all the threads again, and break out of the OCD trance of rejecting any statement that doesn't fit your internal narrative of being attacked by me.

I made logical statements based on what I know. You turned it into an "Education isn't important" discussion for all the other completely irrelevant things you listed. I'm done.

sometimes people can do good things in life without have 1 or 2 8 year diplomas. Book smarts add to the knowledge you get from street smarts its not all bad and some thing you learn by yourself. I got a friend who has a big mechanic shop in California and dude just finished 9th grade. All the knowledge he got was from watching his dad work on cars during spare time. Then again going to college does not mean you will be top game i know 1st hand people who have graduated 6 / 8 year degree from good ivy colleges. Three of them are flipping burgers for last 2 years. To finish off if Having a piece of paper is that important then i for one hope Josh has like 5 dr degree cause i would hate to think someone who did not even go to high school milked millions of dollars for who knows how many people

The piece of paper is worthless just like a marriage license. An education or a marriage is only worth what you put in. Sure many bullshit degrees are basically handed out to students that just paid and showed up to class but at least they did that much. I hate to tell you but there's no such thing as street smarts. That's an oxymoron. If you're on the streets, you're not smart. Trust me that i learned that directly from the mouths of people that made hundreds of thousands on and in the streets. It's a no win proposition. Finally as a few have noticed here, I NEVER said you can't be intelligent nor did I say you can't be successful without a college education. I do feel though that you can not ever be successful without a proper education. Granted proper is a loose term BUT a proper education can be taught by anyone in any subject be it auto-mechanics or mechanical engineering. There is SO much to learn and the more you know, the more you know you don't know. I agree that the American Educational system is failing but to not partake in it because of that and think that you'll be better off is nothing less than foolish. Education and knowledge are still the very thing that can set you free no matter who you are or where you are and it is something everyone should strive for.

Disclaimer: I am a post-secondary mathematics instructor at a US institution by day and crypto hobbyist by night, and hold several degrees myself.

I agree wholeheartedly with others calling you out, that education, including the piece of paper sitting in the desk drawer of my office that shows I toiled for many years, is incredibly broken in the United States, and that it is a weak argument to say that statistically people are more successful because they have a piece of paper showing they showed up to classes and thought hard enough to make the professor think they knew the material, or at least satisfied the point requirements of the professors grading scales. Certainly they start off at better pay on average because HR departments value degrees, and there are good things you can get from a post-secondary education, whether four-year, six-year or eight-year level, that are not easily available otherwise, I will agree with you on that.

On the other hand, judging someone's ability based on a lack of education is, in my opinion, a very lacking argument. The number of students that make it through a degree today make it worth almost nothing. You may have seen the ideal in knowledge and pursued it in your education, but there is a huge amount of value to a self-made person. Arguing that in general someone is incapable because they don't have an education is moot, in my opinion. I would argue that someone is robbed of free-thought, creativity and motivation because they did get a degree.

The argument that education statistically correlates to success is neither valid nor strong. I see a hundred people without degrees who don't amount to anything for every one of those who amount to something but have no formal degree. I am, after all, a professor.

May I make the assumption that you, like me, became less educated, motivated and creative by attending a university?

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