Quote from: username18333 on May 04, 2015, 04:08:57 AM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on May 04, 2015, 03:19:50 AM

There is no way to use "placebo" as an explanation with plants.

One could, subconsciously, be providing better care to them.

Ah, but one could easily design an experiment to eliminate this bias. The truly skeptical should do just that!

Quote from: username18333 on May 04, 2015, 04:08:57 AM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on May 04, 2015, 03:19:50 AM

Furthermore, one's own experience cannot be reduced to neural signals; consciousness is irreducible

Quote from: Merriam-Webster. "Solipsism." 2015. Web. 04 May 2015. link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/solipsism

: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also : extreme egocentrism

Quote from: Axel Cleeremans. The Radical Plasticity Thesis: How the Brain Learns to Be Conscious. _Frontiers in Psychology_ 2 (2011). 10-11. Web. 30 Mar. 2015.

In other words, such a network is unable to distinguish between a veridical perception and an hallucination. Doing so would require the existence of another, independent network, whose task it is to learn to associate specific input patterns with specific patterns of activity of the first networks hidden units. That system would then be able to identify cases where the latter exists in the absence of the former, and hence, to learn to distinguish between cases of veridical perception and cases of hallucination. Such internal monitoring is viewed here as constitutive of conscious experience: A mental state is a conscious mental state when the system that possesses this mental state is (at least non-conceptually) sensitive to its existence. Thus, and unlike what is assumed to be case in HOT Theory, meta-representations can be both subpersonal and non-conceptual.

This fits with what I and Hatonn and Chopra have been saying about finding god within you and about metabiological evolution; a shift in the consciousness of consciousness.

For your reference, Deepak Chopra's The Way of the Wizard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyMfuTzSDLw