Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 04, 2015, 10:46:03 AM

Quote from: blablahblah on August 03, 2015, 06:18:05 PM

Why suffer trying to 'convince' people, when you could plant ideas that take on a life of their own?

I am only convincing those people who matter, because as Linus Torvalds explained well, "most people are morons" and thus they can never understand.

popcorn1 is apparently a prime example because he can't seem to comprehend that rewarding habitual, willful failure is a human eugenics (potentially extinction) paradigm, due to the resiliency that is only attainable with Taleb's Anti-fragility, i.e. not overcommitting to egregious error which all collectives/politics inherently do.

And actually I am not trying to convince in this thread. I am just gathering a poll and feedback on how many people rationalize similarly to myself. Also to brainstorm potential solutions and dismiss non-solutions and impractical ideas.

It is also serves to be an "in your face" middle finger to socialist pigs. I get a kick out of that, but I wouldn't start a thread just to annoy socialists. I need to have some real work achievement goal in mind. This thread is gathering data. Everyone who contributes to the thread is appreciated (popcorn1 included), despite diametrical philosophical and political views expressed.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 01, 2015, 03:35:28 AM

The political strategy is to make politics (collectivized resource appropriation) less relevant so people are more in tune with what benefits them, i.e. Welcome to the Knowledge Age.

Some people refer to this transformation as an Inverse Commons:

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-5.html

Somewhere in the following video Linus explains for example how the technology of decentralized version control eliminates the politics over whom gets commit rights:

https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8?t=488 (haha)

https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8?t=1114 ("most people are morons") <------ Edit: this one and the next one apply to my point

https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8?t=1648 ("most of you are incompetent", "there are some few who are outstanding", "hey that person is smarter than I am")

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 01, 2015, 04:25:20 AM

Again increases in degrees-of-freedom doesn't have to be selfish even if it is physical. For example, if remove that obstacle that makes us all walk further than we need to.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 02, 2015, 01:54:01 PM

You don't need to change the will of all the people, just the people who matter economically.

I figure those people who don't want to prioritize working with me already fail that test., lol Tongue

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 03, 2015, 06:04:49 AM

No the real problem is providing a way for the people who want to productive to separate themselves from those who want to perish.

Convincing people to change is a waste of time.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 04, 2015, 10:24:12 AM

Individual responsibility is only motivated by not providing a nanny state.

you need to take a chill pill it will send you crazy looking to deep into things
i know your trying to do good but your not your not looking at the bigger picture
if money is what makes everyone life better then no matter what you believe in money will be the power
so because money is the power there will be more poor than rich
plus you keep saying productive not everyone can get a job so do you think everyone wants to sit on there backside and do nothing..just some places no jobs

plus PERISH its you that is perishing your own brain with all the mad shit you read
the type of life you want is more like a quaker so go live with them plenty of quakers to go live with Grin

anyone can be rich you just need to use your brain
just most people want to live for the now

an idian man comes to the uk he gets a job for 250 cleaning dishes he pays 50 pounds rent because he sleeps in a room shared with 5 others..he then feeds him self on boiled rice and noodles for 2 years
so spends 30 pounds on food so is weekly out lay is 80 pounds..
now we british born think sod that i am not living like that
but to this indian he thinks this is easy living this back home i had to work 8 hours a day just to feed myself..
so anyway the indian saves his 150 pounds a week for 2 years which comes to 15 thousand pounds after 2 years..
then he goes and rents a shop out with his 15 grand he does the same as before sleeps on shop floor eats noodles for 2 years then saves 100k then by the time 10 years as gone by this guy now owns a factory making millions Wink

but most people will never do this so do you see anyone can get rich if you put your mind to it
so its a good job we live in a democracy Wink

plus just think when robots come out more jobs gone

i know you mean well but if money is what makes peoples lives better then no one is truely free..
your enslaved to get money so no matter what you believe it will all boil down to one thing money
and as you keep saying people without money are useless
so if i am handicapped or ill i am worthless Cry

ANYWAY I GOT TO STOP OR I WILL END UP LIKE YOU PARANOID Cheesy

do me a big favour for 1 month stop reading to much into government shit because you will send your self cookoo
we all know government does shady shit to its own people but you just need to do what the indian man done and then you can become free because your rich Wink

but not many people in the western world would live like this we just want to party now fuck tomorrow
so this is why where seeing in the uk more millionaires from other countries becoming rich as time goes by
this is why uk are trying to stop benefits for young people Wink

this is you
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwk1ko6ceQ