Quote from: jaysabi on August 07, 2015, 03:55:04 AM

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Quote from: jaysabi on August 06, 2015, 11:37:20 PM

Quote from: Fuck NWO on August 06, 2015, 07:10:53 PM

Snowden Scam is a Zionist Scare Tactic

Make no mistake about it Edward Snowden is a fraudster and fabricator, just like the rest of the scam artists who have been elevated to heroic status recently, foisted upon the American people on false pretense. There is nothing heroic about his acts: it is a set up. He has been fed his lines, and he is doing so for monetary gain.

Powerful Zionist Jews, including talk show hosts Michael Savage and Alex Jones, have given Snowden great support. English Zionsts have been his major backbone, including Glenn Greenwald and collaborators at the UKs The Guardian. Would the Zionists give such tacit support to their arch-enemy? Whether whistle blower or not Snowden, has apparently revealed issues of a top secret nature. Savage and Jones find this to be grand.

Top secret or not, Snowden has revealed nothing new. Whatever he has said has amount to the creation of agitation. His father was a big man in the Coast Guard and is running cover for the scam. None of what Snowden has said or any of the supposed consequences are believable. No matter: what perfect timing as a distraction. Plus, blame it all on American institutions, the NSA and/or CIA, but say nothing about that exceedingly corrupt, murderous spy agency, the Mossad.

See more: http://nodisinfo.com/snowden-is-a-zionist-mole-proof/

Entire point undermined by obvious bolded falsehood. The fact that we knew of none of the illegal programs before he exposed them, nor would we have dared to imagine the extent to which they have developed, renders his revelations "new."

Every news item is not a zionist conspiracy theory...

I don't necessarily believe this is Zionist plot, I really have no way of knowing for sure either way, but the claim that no one knew about these programs before Snowden came forward is absolute bullshit. I remember reading about the PRISM program over ten years ago. In fact almost nothing he revealed was not already under discussion by those that took the time to educate themselves on the subject. I explain more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1145833.msg12073084#msg12073084

There is nothing substantive there about Snowden's revelations being old except your statement that it is. Further, I find it unlikely you read about PRISM over ten years ago when the program is at most 8 years old (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/06/how-congress-unknowingly-legalized-prism-in-2007/). Even if the programs were publicly known long before Snowden shed a light on them, an assertion that is called into question by your lack of sources and now disproven anecdote, the extent of how robust the programs were and how much data the NSA had access to, with the seeming complicity of major US technology firms, is the real Snowden revelation. If you have any actual evidence to support the claim that Snowden's revelations in this vein were not new, I'd be happy to review them and amend my understanding of the situation accordingly.

"WASHINGTON (AP) In the months and early years after 9/11, FBI agents began showing up at Microsoft Corp. more frequently than before, armed with court orders demanding information on customers.

Around the world, government spies and eavesdroppers were tracking the email and Internet addresses used by suspected terrorists. Often, those trails led to the world's largest software company and, at the time, largest email provider.

The agents wanted email archives, account information, practically everything, and quickly. Engineers compiled the data, sometimes by hand, and delivered it to the government.

Often there was no easy way to tell if the information belonged to foreigners or Americans. So much data was changing hands that one former Microsoft employee recalls that the engineers were anxious about whether the company should cooperate.

Inside Microsoft, some called it "Hoovering" not after the vacuum cleaner, but after J. Edgar Hoover, the first FBI director, who gathered dirt on countless Americans.

This frenetic, manual process was the forerunner to Prism, the recently revealed highly classified National Security Agency program that seizes records from Internet companies. As laws changed and technology improved, the government and industry moved toward a streamlined, electronic process, which required less time from the companies and provided the government data in a more standard format."

http://www.businessinsider.com/prism-is-just-the-start-of-nsa-spying-2013-6

This mass data collection was not a secret to anyone bothering to look. Just because it wasn't officially called "PRISM" on the books until 2007 doesn't mean it wasn't common knowledge that the government was setting up massive systems of data surveillance at the point of the ISPs.

Then there was Qwest Communications:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080618192552/http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/tech/article/0,2777,DRMN_23910_4692718,00.html

"U.S. Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., was one of many who praised Qwest's position and called for Senate hearings on the issue.

"I have long been concerned about the NSA's domestic spying program, and today's media reports only reinforce that concern," Salazar said in a statement. "I also laud Denver-based Qwest Communications for its decision not to share private information with the NSA.""

If the program was so new, how exactly could he have been "long concerned" about the NSA's spying program in 2006?

Like I said, none of this was a secret to anyone bothering to look.