Quote from: Holliday on October 01, 2015, 02:13:34 AM

Quote from: knight22 on October 01, 2015, 02:02:46 AM

OpenBazaar and joystream absolutely need censorship-poof money to operate.

Why?

OpenBazaar is a decentralized censorship-proof market place and Joystream is an torrent sharing platform with micro-payments to give incentive for better upload.

No need to explain further why they need censorship-proof money.

Quote from: Holliday on October 01, 2015, 02:13:34 AM

Quote from: knight22 on October 01, 2015, 02:02:46 AM

The thing is, good enough decentralization is good enough. If there is censorship, then these platforms will just migrate to another blockchain. There is no value to add censorship on a blockchain at all.

I'm not sure what "good enough" decentralization is. If I can't run a full node over a shitty internet connection in an environment that is anti-Bitcoin, then I would say the decentralization is not good enough.

Good enough decentralization is good enough to keep bitcoin censorship-free with all the feature it actually offers. I can't tell how much nodes does that represent (I guess time will tell) but being able to run it on a shitty internet connection is unnecessary although it would be a nice to have.

Quote from: Holliday on October 01, 2015, 02:13:34 AM

Quote from: knight22 on October 01, 2015, 02:02:46 AM

To answer your question I do run a node but I don't mind if I can't at some point but I'm also sure the market will come up with cheap solutions so I can continue for a long time ahead regardless of how bitcoin scales.

Either you have fantastic resources, gimp your node like I do, or are extremely optimistic. Do you keep track of the bandwidth your node currently uses with the 1mb spam limit in place?

I guess I'm extremely optimistic but as I said, I don't really mind if I won't be able to run a node at some point. Why should I care anyway? The cat is out of the bag and if bitcoin eventually become too centralized and allow censorship then I'll just move to the next uncensored blockchain just like I will do if the bitcoin blockchain doesn't scale enough.