Quote from: BADecker on May 14, 2017, 08:11:30 PM

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Are these your proofs?

Quote from: BADecker on February 29, 2016, 11:20:38 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 29, 2016, 08:53:09 AM

Quote from: anon_giraffe on February 29, 2016, 03:49:54 AM

Any proof of existence of anything relies on prior assumptions, the seeming least of all is that we exist such that we can observe.
There is no definitive proof of anything that is not reliant on our subjective reality.

Scientific objectivity relies on this too, it cannot exist without our subjective acceptance. Any claims that reality exists independent of us is unprovable.

Yeah and what? We don't ask for absolute proof of God, of course it's impossible to get. We ask for a logical proof based on logical assumptions...

Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does. And since the laws of entropy show us that everything is dispersing and diffusing, this means that complexity is diminishing. All of this means that whoever programmed the universe into being by cause and effect, is way more intelligent than people are... way more intelligent beyond understanding. This Intelligence (Which, obviously, is at least somewhat alien to us) fits our dictionary definitions of "God."

Science and logic prove that God exists, even if you don't like it.

Cool

Quote from: BADecker on March 09, 2015, 11:34:16 PM

Quote from: XinXan on March 09, 2015, 10:42:32 AM

But yet again you still didnt provide any proof at all, you are just saying that god has to exist, there must be a god. Well why dont you tell us why there ''must'' be a god? Because scientists proved that everything has a cause? So what? In what way does that prove that God exist?

Then again, proofs, show me the proofs.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof?s=t:

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proof
[proof]

noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.
7. an arithmetical operation serving to check the correctness of a calculation.
8. Mathematics, Logic. a sequence of steps, statements, or demonstrations that leads to a valid conclusion.
9. a test to determine the quality, durability, etc., of materials used in manufacture.
10. Distilling.
the arbitrary standard strength, as of an alcoholic liquor.
strength with reference to this standard: 100 proof signifies a proof spirit, usually 50% alcohol.

11. Photography. a trial print from a negative.
12. Printing.
a trial impression, as of composed type, taken to correct errors and make alterations.
one of a number of early and superior impressions taken before the printing of the ordinary issue:
to pull a proof.

13. (in printmaking) an impression taken from a plate or the like to show the quality or condition of work during the process of execution; a print pulled for examination while working on a plate, block, stone, etc.
14. Numismatics. one of a limited number of coins of a new issue struck from polished dies on a blank having a polished or matte surface.
15. the state of having been tested and approved.
16. proved strength, as of armor.
17. Scots Law. the trial of a case by a judge alone, without a jury.

adjective
18. able to withstand; successful in not being overcome: proof against temptation.
19. impenetrable, impervious, or invulnerable: proof against outside temperature changes.
20. used for testing or proving; serving as proof.
21. of standard strength, as an alcoholic liquor.
22. of tested or proven strength or quality: proof armor.
23. noting pieces of pure gold and silver that the U.S. assay and mint offices use as standards.

verb (used with object)
24. to test; examine for flaws, errors, etc.; check against a standard or standards.
25. Printing. prove (def 7).
26. to proofread.
27. to treat or coat for the purpose of rendering resistant to deterioration, damage, etc. (often used in combination): to proof a house against termites; to shrink-proof a shirt.
28. Cookery.
to test the effectiveness of (yeast), as by combining with warm water so that a bubbling action occurs.
to cause (especially bread dough) to rise due to the addition of baker's yeast or other leavening.

Definition #1 above will suit our purposes quite well.

Machine-like nature of the universe.
All around us, in nature and the universe we see machine-like operations. These operations are extremely complex inside life and the cells. Machines have makers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMn319zkZ2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id2rZS59xSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9cVhwPg84

Machine usage is in progression.
Animals use simple machines. Some primates (apes, chimps, monkeys) use rocks and sticks to work their food. The leverage they provide with the rocks and sticks is machine use.
People use simple machines. People make and use complex machines. All machines that people and animals make and use come from examples of machine operations in the universe.
The progression is that, as the machines that people make and use are far more advanced than the ones that animals make and use, so are the machines that exist in nature far more advanced than the ones that people make and use. The advanced machines of the universe have an advanced Maker - God. Machines have makers.

Cause and effect, action and reaction.
Perhaps there is quantum math that proves that pure randomness can exist. (Pure randomness is happenstance that is entirely spontaneous, without a cause.) Quantum math is such that, whatever can be proven by using it, the opposite can also be proven by using it. The reason for this is that quantum mechanics is merely probability, no matter how complex it may be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo
Thus far in nature, we haven't been able to find any pure randomness. All actions in nature - even our thought processes - are produced by causes, whatever the causes may be. This means that the machinery of the universe, including mankind and his thinking, was designed by a Great First Cause, Which set everything in motion.
A simple example of this is billiards, the game of pool. A master pool shark hits a ball that strikes a second ball that strikes a third ball that strikes a fourth ball that strikes a fifth ball that knocks a sixth ball into a predetermined pocket.
In an almost infinitely more complex and complicated way, whatever the Great First Cause that started the actions and reactions of the universe going is, He (She/It) built people and their complex thinking by innumerable cause and effect operations down through the ages. We see nothing else, no other methodology in the universe.
The older the age of the universe, the more complex and far greater the Great First Cause must be. Why? He had to set up a much more complex chain reaction of causes and effects that lasted over a longer period of time to get the complex results we see today in nature and the universe.

The nations look for God.
The vast majority of people recognize the greatness of the universe, naturally. They recognize that Something very great must have caused the universe and nature to come into existence. They know it is not themselves, because try as they might, they can't affect nature except in extremely limited ways. They can't stop themselves from aging and dying.
People recognize that as they can think, there must be Something that can think far beyond what they can. This is instinctive, natural knowledge. That is part of the reason that people throughout the world look for God. That's part of the reason that there are religions. People know in their hearts, inner minds, and spirits that God must exist.
Usually it is the frustration of certain people in being unable to determine much of anything about God, that they simply throw in the towel, so to speak, and give up on the idea of God. Way down deep in their hearts they know that God exists. But because of circumstances and their inability to find Him, they attempt to entirely push Him out of their lives. And many of them succeed to a great extent.

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There you have it. The evidences for God are in the machine-like qualities of the universe (machines have makers), the fact of cause and effect as the example of design, the evidences of the majorities of people being at least religious, and the fact of the strength of frustrated people who embrace the religion of atheism.

Such strength of faith you have! You are willing and able to push the untold quadrillions of pieces of evidence for the existence of God out of your life, and embrace the extremely fewer pieces of evidence that suggest that God doesn't exist. God would like to have people of your strength of faith in His Kingdom.

God is our friend. Come and join us in seeking Him, so that we can find a clarification of the reasons He has caused us to exist.

EDIT: By the way, thank you for prompting me to write this so that our readers will have a clearer picture of the fact that God exists.

Other link do not show photos of sky, jesus, angels, demons...

I thought you were going to show convincing evidence.