Quote from: Deafboy on December 30, 2012, 02:54:22 PM

I haven't seen any offer you are describing here on bitcointalk. Can you post link to some examples?

There are a number of threads in the marketplace forum that can be considered highly questionable sales. A perfect example is the thread below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130309.0;all

Explanation with breakdown of that thread. There is more to this than can be discussed here. Information was shared with Theymos privately. I had hoped that Theymos would act on this issue without the need for community intervention, but he has not yet acted against torac. (torac is donating a portion of proceeds from each sale back to the site, which creates a conflict of interest in acting against torac)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg1422113#msg1422113

Quote from: shep on December 27, 2012, 03:00:25 PM

Quote from: honest bob on December 26, 2012, 08:37:50 AM

Quote from: shep on December 22, 2012, 10:01:12 AM

Quote from: honest bob on December 18, 2012, 03:02:30 AM

+1 torac

I've attained multiple digital goods through him. Very responsive, helpful, and honest.

I don't consider a seller that transacts in hacked/compromised/ and or unauthorized transfers of accounts as an "honest" seller. Torac sold you login credentials that were not his to sell. If you believe that the credentials you acquired are legitimate and not compromised you should contact the admin of the site to which they belong and confirm their authenticity. lol

If they were hacked, the original owner would contact the admins. He says he acquires them through trading and I believe him. If I thought they were stolen accounts I would have nothing to do with them. I think sometimes admins sell through the back door. Yes, selling accounts does break ToS with these already half-legal sites. Then again, jailbreaking an iPhone breaks ToS contract as well. Torac has long-time connects in the tracker invite scene. The nzb site craze is a brand new thing--and there is a lot of crossover. Become a power user on what.cd, hang out on IRC and tracker forums-- you meet a lot of people with a lot of axx.

The credentials torac is selling could be hacked. You'll notice that torac was directly asked if the credentials were "hacked", torac did not answer this question and instead answered that they were "safe".

Quote from: torac on December 12, 2012, 10:17:45 AM

Quote from: DobZombie on December 12, 2012, 08:13:02 AM

Are these legit or hacked?

I'll take 1 if its real

The accounts are safe. If there will be any problems with them I will refund your money or give you another one for free.

Torac is also openly telling buyers not to change email and password credentials, which would inform the original account holder that their account is compromised.

Quote from: torac on December 12, 2012, 03:48:16 AM

WARNING : IF YOU BOUGHT NZBS ACCOUNT FROM ME DON'T TRY TO CHANGE E-MAIL AND PASSWORD NOW, THEY ARE WATCHING ALL ACCOUNTS AND BANNING THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE SOLD !!! It wil get disabled I think if you change it. Already 2 accounts got disabled. Just use them as they are with that account and password and it should work fine for a while, maybe later you can try change the e-mail and password to your own e-mail and password but at the moment please do not do it just use it as it is.

Torac states not to list any details in the transaction. He doesn't want payment processors flagging his payment accounts.

Quote from: torac on December 12, 2012, 03:48:16 AM

If you send me payments, try sending as gift or goods or any other type, make sure you do not type any comments in the transaction

Torac states that he did not register the accounts. This is highly suspicious when he is selling large volumes of accounts.

Quote from: torac on December 12, 2012, 03:48:16 AM

Please understand that I got the accounts by trading with other people on the internet, different trusted contacts of mine, I didn't sign-up the accounts myself. There is a chance you will encounter problems with the accounts. Please let me know if it is the case to refund you the money or to give you another account for free. Thank you for understanding.

The most likely methods of gaining credentials via automation is by brute force, a worm/rootkit (keylogger), or via a honeypot (proxy, assuming the user transmitted via a non-secure protocol). Hacked accounts would only be identified as such when the registered user reports them (which would most likely occur when email or passwords are changed). However, dormant and abandoned accounts or accounts infrequently used may not even be reported as hacked. Whether it's hacked, compromised, or unauthorized, torac can spin any line he wants, he's taking in money while he can, and when this angle closes for him he'll be on to the next site to abuse.

I can tell you straight up that admins of multiple sites targeted by torac, do not approve of these sales.

Your argument about breaking ToS is a non-sequitur. There is no right of first-sale doctrine with a service, you don't own your account like you do with an iphone (property) or with games (IP) you purchased via a steam account. To add insult, some of these sites provide a free service. Most sites have actively closed registration and removed invites. If admin wanted new users they would open registration or provide their existing userdb with invites (not likely to happen in the conceivable future thanks to torac).

Torac is openly creating a security issue by selling accounts. Now nokru is suggesting to escalate site abuse by loading 15-20 users per account and selling access via a proxy service. Not only is this rampant site abuse and open hostility toward admin, but it introduces a security nightmare whereby admins can not control who gains access to their sites. I can tell you this, if you love your $10-$400 account bought from torac now, you're going to love it a lot less when a few of these sites decide to purge their entire db or shutdown. There are always a few assholes that ruin things, Torac and nokru are very close to convincing sites to pursue this course of action. Don't expect torac, MariusTi, PTseller or similar sellers to care about collateral damage, they've made their money, the rest of you suckers and a lot of innocent bystanders will be left in the wind.

You should also ask yourself what are the motives of people willing to spend $50-100+ per account.