Quote from: chanchel on March 29, 2016, 04:35:49 PM

Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2016, 04:07:18 AM

Quote from: chanchel on March 28, 2016, 08:25:47 PM

Quote from: Moloch on March 27, 2016, 10:45:42 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 27, 2016, 10:03:59 PM

Free Dope would pick up some votes.

Contrary to establishment propaganda, Bernie isn't giving out anything for free... Although, he will likely legalize weed

He's only ~200 delegates behind Hillary... California alone is worth 475... say hello to President Bernie!

stop saying he hasn't offered anything for free.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Here's your free stuff. When will you wackos figure out that nothing is free. Free tuition!!! Yay, right?!?!?! More social security, yay, right?!?!?!? Extended healthcare coverage, yay, right?!?!?!
Anyway, you get the point. Bernie will tax the crap out of everyone, and in so doing will kill job after job after job. Here is what happens:

Economic Impact
According to the Tax Foundations Taxes and Growth Model, Senator Bernie Sanderss tax plan would reduce the economys size by 9.5 percent in the long run. The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs. The smaller economy results from higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income.
Table 2.
Economic Impact of Senator Sanderss Tax Reform Proposals
GDP -9.5%
Capital Investment -18.6%
Wage Rate -4.3%
Full-time Equivalent Jobs (in thousands) -5,973

Stop saying he hasn't offered anything for free. He wants to extend the welfare state, thats "free food, utilities, etc." Moloch have you ever lived in a socialist country?? Socialism will destroy all innovation in the United States. It will destroy the US.

Whose ass did you pull those numbers out of? How could you possibly know how taxes affect GDP, investment rate, etc? 6 million fewer jobs?!? How could you know any of that?

What "tax plan" are you even talking about? Bernie has not released any "tax plan"... are you talking about his single-payer insurance plan that he released 2 months ago? Do you even know what you are talking about?

No, I have never lived in a socialist country, but I have visited a few of them... I have also done a fair bit of research on socialism...

Have you visited a socialist country, or done even the slightest bit of research into socialist policies?
Or, are you just saying it's evil because that's what you were told in elementary school?

Just goes to show how little you actually know about bernie's proposals, he has released a tax plan (you can find details http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan). You love the utopian idea, but it isn't even a remote possibility. I have lived in Spain and Mexico, both are a travesty not some utopian awesomeness. I run my own business and have several friends that left socialist countries because of their pressure on small businesses. If we go down the road of socialism, our country will die a terrible, agonizing death.

Just goes to show how little you actually know...

I looked at your link and the numbers they use come solely from Bernie's single-payer insurance plan... in fact, everything does... look at the sources they list for references... there is no "tax plan" listed... it's all stuff in his single-payer insurance plan + random quotes they found on the internet

It is also completely inaccurate, let me elaborate:

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Senator Sanders (I-VT) would enact a number of policies that would raise payroll taxes and individual income taxes, especially on high-income households.

This part is actually true... his insurance plan will tax the rich more than the poor

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Senator Sanderss plan would raise tax revenue by $13.6 trillion over the next decade on a static basis. However, the plan would end up collecting $9.8 trillion over the next decade when accounting for decreased economic output in the long run.

This point is half-true...

His single-payer insurance plan has been estimated to cost anywhere between $9 and $13.6 trillion, depending on the source... (obviously they chose the most extreme end)

What they neglect to mention is that the current cost of healthcare is $20 trillion during the same decade (if we don't change anything)... so even if Bernie's cost $13.6 trillion, you save $20 trillion, making a net savings of $6.4 trillion over a decade... that is how Bernie saves Americans $5,000 per household per year... yet this article makes it sound like a bad thing

The "decreased economic output" is just bullshit nonsense speculation, nothing more... pay no attention to that, it's pulled out of someones ass

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A majority of the revenue raised by the Sanders plan would come from a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax, a new 2.2 percent broad-based income tax, and the elimination of tax expenditures relating to healthcare.

Also half-true...

For the same reason... yes, taxes go up, but you and your employer no longer pay $400-1200+ per month in healthcare premiums... this is a replacement, not an extra fee...

It's complete slander to say Bernie will raise your taxes without mentioning how much he will save you...

Once again, Bernie will save $6.4 trillion according to your source (though they neglect to even mention that once)... if you go with the extreme example on the other side (his plan costing $9 trillion over 10-years)... he will save $11 trillion instead of only saving $6.4 trillion...

How is that a bad thing?!?

All of his tax changes involve lowering taxes on people making less than $250,000 per year, and raising them on people making more than $3,000,000 per year... how is that bad?!?