Quote from: Lauda on May 08, 2016, 05:06:44 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 08, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

I often enough had to send with 0.20$, which is less than half of the minimum paypal fee and clearly it goes in this direction.

Don't blame the Bitcoin network for creating large transactions. This is why fees are measured in satoshi/byte. There is no fixed fee.

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 08, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

[1] I'm really not sure about the effect of segwit since the effects that are hoped on are [2]mostly calculated with a way higher amount of multisig transactions, as far as I remind correctly.

[1] If you aren't sure, then stop spreading misinformation? [2] Wrong. While I can't find the exact link from the mailing list, we are looking at ~190-200% in realistic usage.

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 08, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

I'm really not sure that we can build on this. Of course even when it not brings nearly to 50$, every 10% is a nice thing. Only the big question is if it really will help avoiding full blocks.

Whatever exactly 'build on this' is supposed to mean, the answer is yes to both sentences.

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 08, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

And segwit... as far as I learned about it... I don't see a usecase for me and I doubt many other users have. If one has as much coins to block it in some payment channel then ok, possible LN user.

You start complaining about 'not seeing use-cases for Segwit' and then continue talking about LN users? That does not make sense. A Segwit use-case is LN.

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 08, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

But most users have the amount for one payment, that's it. So the LN effect won't be high too. Besides that... LN is not really a loved thing.

Do you keep coins in your wallet? If you do, then your argument has no merit.

Sure there is no fixed fee. Though there are times you need to pay more than at other times. And the days of transactions going through instantly with minimum fee are over. So it really does not need much intelligence to see the trend going on. The reason is clear.

So you say I'm not sure but you post numbers where you are not sure too. Roll Eyes

Anyway... segwit first needs adoption to have an effect. This takes time. And the best effect it would have on multisig transactions. Which is not something that is spread as far as was assumed in this claim for the future.

Right, I chose the wrong word. I meant I don't really see a lot of usecases for LN, not for segwit.

Sure I keep bitcoins in my wallet. But to send it wherever I want. I would not bind them into a payment channel to some exchange only because I might send some bitcoins there in the future. Why should I when I could freely decide about it? So no, I don't really see usecases for myself nor for most users.