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Board Scam Accusations
Re: Dzeros has been found, funds locked, how should we proceed?
by
bdonlan
on 10/03/2017, 11:19:12 UTC
If it can be deciphered as to who has been defrauded and by how much then IMO the money belongs to his victims.

I am not sure how I feel about the seizing of his assets though. Maybe Australian law enforcement should be contacted and give them an opportunity to serve you with a seizure notice of Volpe's assets.

Out of curiosity, did you hack the account you are using? I don't think you are the original owner of the account.
No, I bought this account years ago, and I can provide proof of this.

I am more than happy to provide blockchain evidence of my "schemes" that I ran and the amounts that were taken. I want to be very clear that I had all intentions of repaying, as obviously my information being posted publicly is not something I want permanently, or at least without being rectified that I have straightened out the situation, despite that I did in fact state the risks in every one of the schemes that were made.

Quickseller or alex, if you are interested in discussing privately, I'm more than happy to come to an agreement.
First of all, you were running outright scams, not schemes. You were outright lying about what you were doing with "investors'" money and as a result were defrauding them. [A] For example, you were claiming that btc sent to bitcoin-stocks was being "moved to all of our revenue sources and in the meantime, produce your interest and increased revenue for the site" which was not accurate, IIRC you had told me that you used this money to gamble on (ironically) bitdice, and IIRC you lost the last of the money from this site with 5BTC bets on 3x rolls.

If you truly had intentions of repaying what you stole, then I would think you would have done it by now, prior to your information being posted for over a year. If you seriously want to use a portion of this money to repay what you stole, and can provide me with a list of addresses that received BTC as part of your schemes scams, then I can review the blockchain and either repay what was stolen on your behalf or confirm the addresses and amounts to be repaid for you -- this would be very time consuming and would not be willing to do this for free though, and if I was the one signing the tx to repay the stolen money, then I would need you to agree to certain procedures. I don't think the 38BTC would be sufficient to to repay everything though, although it might be fair to repay only 1/2 or 1/3 of what was stolen considering the rise in price of BTC since the money was stolen. [C]

In regards to what I believe that alex should do, it is my understanding that he incurred some costs when his account was hacked (I would consider the amount he was extorted to be a cost, even if he did not actually make the payment), [D]and this should be deducted from Volpe's account balance. It is also my understanding that other people received similar phishing links from Volpe on bitdice [E] -- I would suggest that Alex determine if it can be reasonably concluded that other people had money stolen as a result of this, and if so, to deduct Volpe's balance for this amount to reimburse those who lost money because of this. After doing the above, Alex should either return the balance to Volpe, hold the BTC until he receives a court order to remit the BTC to a court that can determine ownership of the btc (presumably to Volpe's victims) or repay his victims yourself. I don't think it would be appropriate to give his winnings to your investors, unless you can find evidence of cheating and/or prior knowledge of the seed. [F]

I would however say that Alex tell Volpe that after the withdrawal is processed that he is no longer welcome at any of Alex's sites, and that if Volpe deposits any money to any of Alex's sites, then such money will be confiscated. This way James will know in advance what will happen if he tries to play at bitdice, and this question will not need to be asked next time. [G]

I don't think there is any harm in minor delays in processing withdrawals, nor asking the community these kinds of questions. [H]

James -- you very clearly have a serious gambling problem, and you really should seek treatment for this. Your problem has caused you to resort to staling large amounts of money from others. If you continue down this path, you are only going to cause more damage to yourself, and your relationships.



A. Sit there and call them scams all you wish, the matter of the fact is I made huge efforts to make sure the ToS protected me from any accusations like you have placed on me. All terms of services state the risk of loss, that representation of information on site can be modified and are not always accurate, and so forth. Basically after you read through, in summary, it says you may lose and if you do, there is nothing you can do about it. I made VERY sure of this when I created these games, I promoted them in the gambling/games section, yet you still call them scams and fraud? I did not run a cloud mining scheme guaranteeing profit, I created investor based games with the theme of trading as most HYIPs do, and I posted all risks in the ToS, again, as all HYIPs do.

B. As you said accumulating such an amount (especially after the huge spike in price, at the time of scams prices ranged from 300-500USD...price is now 1.2k) is not easy, and of course, I have a lot of debt outside of here I have been settling. Refunding people who failed to read the Terms of Service are lower priority than the people who I keep in contact with and promise returns in my legitimate ventures. As for your "solution", I would not trust you with a sent of my money. You tried to extort me 100BTC and I have proof of that to when you originally found my dox, and now you think I am going to trust you with 38BTC? You can't even successfully escrow a transaction with your alt accounts and yet you think you are the right person to manage the repayments... and even funnier, you want a fee for doing blockchain searching? Get a grip. I don't know what has happened to you this past few years but you get even more deluded every time I see a new post. 

C. You have over inflated this amount so much and base it off of winnings from Just-Dice and BitDice. The "100BTC" claim you made in my original investigation thread is very out of proportion, and I still have no idea where you got that figure from. There is no proof behind it, you keep pulling that figure from who knows where.

D. I don't believe any financial damage was caused. Though, if you think so, then deduct the "0.5BTC" that I attempted to extort from the balance, if that helps you sleep at night.

E. No one was financially effected from those links, they are never created intended on stealing and if they were I did not take part in it. Like I said, the group that originally made the link was out for you quickseller, and that's how I got a hold of it. Anyone who had the link could use it, all user/pw's were posted to /pass.txt on the same URL that was passed.

F. Go ahead and make a court order, stealing 38BTC I rightfully won is a crime in itself, and I can assure all of those funds are from legitimate sources. So if alex wants to go ahead and dig his own grave in court, by all means. I have more than sufficient proof for all of my actions in the past ESPECIALLY the investor based games. Every single site I have archived, every single blockchain movement and address ever used I have the private key, I can prove every single action and prove my statements regarding the Terms of Service as well as all of my other actions and financial movements. It's been 2 years and my information has been public quickseller, don't you think someone would have pursued me by now if they have really committed a crime?

G. If that was stated to me in the first place, I would have never touched BitDice. I mean it was never a problem for alex when I was 8BTC down on his website, but now I am 15BTC up and all of a sudden he's realised I am dzeros (after making no efforts to hide this fact) and wants to freeze my funds and confiscate them to bitdice investors. Coincidental is it not?

H. With the ETF decision coming up this is terrible timing for freezing anyones bitcoin or crypto currency assets for that matter. So yes, there is a harm. Asking community questions? Sure go ahead, anyone with half a brain and who can read can realize that you have a vendetta against me Quickseller, the only thing you've achieved from your original investigations thread was your buddies saying good job. Besides that, all I've received are death threat phone calls, text messages, and attempts of deformation which I will hold you responsible for as soon as some bright spark releases your personal information. I hope you realize that your actions will come back to get you as well, you are not mr innocent here, you are far from it. Not to mention the constant deformation attempts on this forum, don't even get me started. (and all archived, by the way)

I. Again, "Stealing" is the wrong word to use. Even deceiving would be wrong, because again, I stated very clearly loss is probable, anyone who lost money to me were aware that this was possible before they used any of the investor based games I created.
I am not going to argue with you about this. You were misrepresenting what you were doing with the money you received, and you cannot claim "ToS" by saying that you can retroactively change what you represented others prior to being sent others' money.

You are right, I don't have specific amounts of money that you have stolen, however in "C" you have essentially admitted to stealing money from others. Substantial additional research would be required to get more accurate figures as to what was stolen, however this research will not change my conclusion that you are a serial scammer. If memory serves me correctly, between bitcoin-stocks, and what was stolen from the ponzi you ran with williamj, more than 20BTC was stolen -- this is only two of many more scams you were responsible for. The difference between 20BTC and 100BTC that you say that I claimed you had stolen is only a number, with either amount, the end result would be that that you have stolen very large amounts of others' money.

I don't have it out for you, you can believe that if you want, and it will not affect me if you continue to say it. I am not the only one who would describe your actions as "theft" and "deception" including other neutral and reputable people in the community. I don't think litigating this is going to get you anywhere regardless. I did not tell anyone to harass you nor did I tell anyone to make threats against you (nor did I encourage anyone to do either of the above). Your information was posted with the intention of a criminal and/or civil case being brought against you so justice could be served. I am honestly surprised that no cases have been brought against you to date.

You can do what you want, but you should get help with your what is clearly gambling problem.
That is ridiculous
I say it time and time again, the TOS is what you agree to when using a service, if you agree to what's in the TOS, even if it says "you may lose money" and "information is not always accurate" then so be it, that is what you agreed to.

A. Sit there and call them scams all you wish, the matter of the fact is I made huge efforts to make sure the ToS protected me from any accusations like you have placed on me. All terms of services state the risk of loss, that representation of information on site can be modified and are not always accurate, and so forth. Basically after you read through, in summary, it says you may lose and if you do, there is nothing you can do about it. I made VERY sure of this when I created these games, I promoted them in the gambling/games section, yet you still call them scams and fraud? I did not run a cloud mining scheme guaranteeing profit, I created investor based games with the theme of trading as most HYIPs do, and I posted all risks in the ToS, again, as all HYIPs do.

That's funny how you rely on ToS to scam people. If you are so strictly guided by the ToS, shall we confiscate all funds as you have broken BitDice's ToS, by having THREE accounts on BitDice Casino:

A User may only have one Account with the Website and shall only use the Website using such single account. It is prohibited for a User to open multiple accounts with the Company. In the event that the Website becomes aware of additional accounts opened by a User, BitDice Casino S.L.R. may close such additional accounts without notice and may confiscate funds held in such additional accounts.

If You breach any provision of these Agreement or BitDice Casino S.L.R has a reasonable ground to suspect that You have breached them, BitDice Casino S.L.R reserves the right not to open, suspend, close Your Account, withhold payment of your winnings and apply such funds on account of any damages due by You.

And please stop spreading lies that you wanted to reimburse players. Several days ago you won substantial amount of coins, which I'm absolutely sure have not been used to repay anyone.

Regards,
Alex.
I have not accessed those accounts in months. How come you are confiscating my funds now and not 3 months ago when I made those accounts? The IPs matched, how come you never had a problem back then? I'll tell you why, because now you know I'm Dzeros and because there is close to 40Btc sitting there. I bet if the balance was 1BTC this whole situation would never have been arised nor would you care about those accounts.

Don't tell me you are confiscating my BTC for accounts that are 3 months old (and never made for malicious purposes) because that is nothing more than an excuse to confiscate the 40BTC

Again, believe what you want alex, I know what my intentions are, I couldn't care less whether to believe it or not. If the funds are confiscated then it is theft, simple as that. The fact you are working with Quickseller just goes to show how immature you are.

Think about the long term and the consequences for you and your casino, even Quickseller has agreed that processing the withdrawal is the right thing to do, and I do plan on repaying the users despite how stupid and naive they are.

And for the record Quickseller, the amount in that ponzi with Williamj was 13BTC, and again, the TOS stated loss was very probable.