Quote from: dinofelis on March 28, 2017, 03:36:57 PM

Quote from: IadixDev on March 28, 2017, 02:40:57 PM

Consciousness of consequences of bad and good action on other is necessary to have any viable society/economy.

The argument with pleasure seeking can be that there is no higher pleasure that seeing someone else perfecting himself Wink

That is empathy, which is a phenomenon like "liking chocolate milk, and feeling pain when you hit my toe with a hammer". Empathy is just a positive (or negative!) correlation coefficient between your own happiness and suffering, and the image you have of a specific other being being happy or suffering. If the coefficient is positive, it is called love and friendship ; if the coefficient is negative, it is called hate and jealousy. Point is, empathy usually only matters for a FEW others (family, friends, and a few hated enemies).

In as much as pleasing friends is done to augment your own happiness, that's still nothing else but selfish behaviour ! You use the other one to increase your own good. In as much as torturing an enemy (even if you have to sacrifice things for that) provides you with pleasure, this is the same: you use the enemy to provide you with pleasure, and is of exactly the same selfish nature than making sacrifice and pleasing a lover or a friend to get the "empathy reward".

Well it's where the concept of selfness can become confusing with empathy. With the simple definition, people who act with empathy are not selfish.

I dont think torturing people, even "enmies" really bring much pleasure to anyone. Only need to see what remain of vets after few years like this. They dont look very happy.

Haaaa the great pleasure to torture your enmy in the name of freedom

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