Quote from: gmaxwell on December 25, 2013, 10:55:34 AM

Man, I was about to yell at y'all for being offtopic and not talking about trolls... until I noticed they'd renamed the thread. I've fixed the name back. Next time the OP abuses their ability to edit the thread title for a long established thread to change it to something unrelated, please report it to the moderators.

Thanks gmaxwell, I think they might have just wanted to wait until they had more "reporting miners", before attempting to re-post a more "official" thread.

Like all other threads in this forum, derailment has occurred, without moderation. There should be special "moderator-tools", or priorities, designated for "business owners". Even if only the ability to "SPOILER" troll-posts, and off-topic posts, until a real moderator can remove them. (If left, they would remain as spoilers that have to be "expanded" to be seen.)

Sorry, but I can't tell if you are being sarcastic in your post... "Report OP's abuse"... "Fixed OP's abuse"... "Left reported troll-posts and off-topic posts." (Seems ironic, as that seems like abuse of mod-ability. That is not intended to nit-pick, just an observation.)

As to the question about "Do I think they will send me a machine with the ABILITY to reach 1.2THs, and run NOMINALLY near that speed, while remaining NOMINALLY around 600Watts at the wall."

Yes, I do believe the unit will produce up to 1.2THs, running around 600Watts. With the ability to run slower, down to ?? speed, which will consume around 300Watts. If it ends-up consuming more wattage at the wall, I honestly wouldn't care. If it can be modified to run faster, with more power, that is just a bonus. (However, that may also require physically modifications to the voltage-regulators they designed the board with, as I am sure they will be limited to stay under 600Watts, for safety. So you don't kill the provided power-supply or overheat the chips with those standard heat-sinks.)

The only real major statistic that most are actually concerned with, is the 1.2THs potential. Since that is what they are paying for, the speed. Operating at 1200Watts would still put this unit on par with any other comparable unit out there, except the 20nm designs.

Is it possible, yes. Is it plausible, yes. Is it true, that has yet to be determined by consumers. Do I believe it will be EXACTLY those specs, within all acceptable reason, yes. Do I believe it is a flat-out informed lie, no. Do I think I will get 60 chips, no, I stated it could be done with 44-48, which I believe is realistic by looking at the designs. I think that answers all your questions, again... So please stop asking the same question over and over. You could have PMed me. I thought you wanted an actual explanation, to ease your mind, to share with the public. I was wrong for thinking that.

Worst case scenerio, as per specs... I can see the "boards" consuming 600Watts, with the rest consuming about 20Watts for the controller and fans, prior to the PSU. With a horrid 80% efficiency, that would put it at a 750Watts at the wall, roughly. Which is what a 600Watt PSU pulls at the wall, to create 600Watts of output, when it is only 80% efficient. The PSU I see them using looks like a 90% efficient PSU, which would put the wall power at around 670Watts.

That, to me, would just be an oversight, or a play on words. When the website says "Consumed wattage at the wall is 600Watts." Then we can talk about lies, if it does not come close to that value. However, they don't say that, and there is no proof otherwise to confirm that the ESTIMATED specs are incorrect. (Pre-order = Nothing to test yet, thus, ESTIMATED or as reported by the MFG.)