Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:28:33 PM

my points is not that LN should not be used. but that its not:
bitcoins solution to scaling

But it helps. It's just one of the things being worked on. And if it doesn't work, I'm sure we'll try other things you'll probably hate just as much because you can't be enthusiastic about anything other than your own preconceived ideas. You can't stop people being excited by the potential of new technologies. If you see anything that's factually incorrect, call it out. But so far, the largest quantity of factually incorrect information has come directly from you. Maybe try showing just a hint of optimism for the future? Go with the flow and see how it turns out, perhaps?

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:28:33 PM

a bitcoin feature

Not solely. No one is claiming Bitcoin is the only blockchain that wants to take advantage of LN. The very fact that more than one chain wants to implement it should clue you in to the fact that it's clearly desirable to have.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:28:33 PM

going to met peoples expectations

Pretending you speak for everyone again?
Pretending everyone is too stupid to comprehend what's being said about LN?
Pretending that people running full nodes are too dumb to know what roadmap they're supporting when they decided not to switch to another client, despite having ample opportunity to do so?

It's your expectations that need adjusting. We're not doing what you want right now. Your proposals don't have adequate support.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:28:33 PM

promoted honestly

As if you even know the meaning of the world "honest". And oh, what's on that very next line of your post, I wonder?

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:28:33 PM

trying to keep bitcoins scaling limited, just to push people into LN is bad.

That's a lie right there. Didn't take you long. No one is trying to limit scaling. Your interpretation of the word "scaling" is just different to what other users running full nodes understand it to be. No amount of telling people to "research" (because we all know that's coming next) will make people think that "scaling" means what you think it means. When there's consensus for a larger blockweight, it will happen. Until then, try to recognise that lone users with fringe ideals are wholly impotent in a system that uses consensus. And you are way out there on the fringes, buddy.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2019, 08:38:49 PM

because you dont NEED to monitor the blockchain to send a payment on bitcoin if your just a single users the NEED for everyone to be a full node is less required, even to avoid third party services you do not NEED to run a full node

Oh marvellous, you've taken the time to survey everyone on Earth to find out exactly what they NEED, have you? That's right, everyone, franky1 knows beyond all doubt that you don't need to run a full node. It's all been decided for you. He's not being a presumptuous fuckwit at all. Roll Eyes

Do you even read what you write before posting it? Christ.