Quote from: jojo69 on April 26, 2019, 12:07:54 AM

If they were grinding their teeth that wasn't the right stuff.

If they were grinding their teeth it certainly was the right stuff. MDMA does that in higher doses (200mg range).

Quote from: gentlemand on April 26, 2019, 12:08:21 AM

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on April 26, 2019, 12:05:09 AM

Have you tried psychedelics? I can see MDMA leaving you indifferent depending on the circumstances, but with psychedelics I'd be hard pressed to believe that they wouldn't be profoundly notable even if they'd leave you fully functional on lower doses.

Nope. Never will.

I've known a few people who set off on a trip and never really came back. I don't think it should be as readily eulogised as it is by all and sundry after staring into a few pairs of eyes that were basically rendered empty by them.

Sorry to hear that, especially if they were close.

Do you know under what circumstances they went off on their trip?

So far all such cases that I've found were of people who took it in very sub-optimal environments, mixed it with other drugs, or were already predisposed to problems. Psychedelics are certainly no joke and I would never take them without due consideration.
But if you're in a stable mindset and do proper research and preparation I don't see how it could go wrong - hence the question. I'm trying to find any evidence that it could go bad despite due diligence, which seems impossible to me so far.

Quote from: d_eddie on April 26, 2019, 12:12:13 AM

Shit happens, but some folks are just begging for it. I'm sure a normal dose of, say, L, couldn't do that to a normal guy.

This is what all the evidence suggests to me so far as well.

I spent years researching all sorts of reports, papers and stories from all sides of the camp before even trying a tiny dose of cubensis for the first time. Went to absurd places numerous times afterwards without any issues whatsoever.