Quote from: nutildah on October 12, 2019, 10:54:13 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 12, 2019, 10:20:43 AM

You sure are a thirsty boi now aren't you?

"The case of U.S. v. Nixonin which the Supreme Court ruled that the president had to turn over the infamous Oval Office recordings to the special prosecutorwas decided just over three months after the relevant grand jury subpoena had been issued. That was a criminal investigation, so the analogy is not entirely apt"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-powers-does-formal-impeachment-inquiry-give-house

The subpoenas were issued based upon a criminal proceeding.

The quote you gave undermines your argument that "impeachment" and "criminal investigation" is one in the same. "So the analogy is not entirely apt" = criminal investigations aren't impeachment proceedings. The case of "U.S. v. Nixon" wasn't an impeachment, it was a criminal investigation.

Impeachments can be carried out on the basis of criminal proceedings but do not necessarily have to be. They are not themselves criminal proceedings, as the president isn't being charged with a crime through the determination of an impeachment.

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The Nixon impeachment was based upon the criminal Watergate incident, so yes, it was a criminal proceeding.

You were wrong. Just admit it.

I was making a direct reply to this argument.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 12, 2019, 08:10:49 AM

Trump took an oath to defend the constitution. By not complying with House oversight he is violating that oath and will rightfully get another impeachment article for doing so.

Lindsey Graham was right:

Article III of impeachment against Richard Nixon was based on the idea [he] failed to comply with subpoenas of Congress. Congress was going through its oversight function to provide oversight of the president. When asked for information, Richard Nixon chose not to comply and the Congress back at that time said, Youre taking impeachment away from us. Youre becoming the judge and jury. It is not your job to tell us what we need. It is your job to comply with the things we need to provide oversight over you. The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day that he was subject to impeachment because he took the power of Congress away from Congress and became the judge and jury.

The subpoenas issued to Nixon were based upon criminal proceedings upon which the articles of impeachment against him were based. There are no such criminal proceedings on which the subpoenas issued to Trump are based. You keep struggling for that W, no mater how small it is thirsty boi.