Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son
Boom. Great find.
On the downside, I guess we'll never be able to prove that the subpoenas exist now.
On the downside, I guess we'll never be able to prove that the subpoenas exist now.
BOOM great excuse to never have to prove your premise. All you have is a sad chain of topic sliding, logical fallacies, assumptions, and sophistry. You are the verbal equivalent of street performers juggling for nickles. All I am expecting you to do is prove your premise, that the supposed subpoenas issued by the house before October 31st exist by providing the document. This isn't that high of a standard of evidence.
You are the ones who brought up FOIA as a distraction and topic slide. FOIA has nothing to do with it. The subpoenas are public records. You can't find them, therefore you will manufacture any excuse you can think of to justify the fact that you can not prove your premise with a very basic standard of evidence, the document itself. You have fun with Mike Pompeo, FOIAs, and more Mike Pompeo.
I am not confusing anything.
Then why did you give the definition for a judicial subpoena instead of a congressional subpoena? You didn't know what a house clerk was and were insisting that they somehow communicated with and stored records in a court, which they don't. You were confused, and then you were wrong.
In order for a subpoena to have legal force it must be filed with a court of record and made public, as well as personally served to the person required to comply with it. Without these steps it is just a request for information and not a subpoena.
Despite your personal preference of definition, a congressional subpoena is still a subpoena; its just not a judicial subpoena. It does not have to be filed with a court of record -- I'm not even certain it _has_ to be made public. This all stems from a misunderstanding on your part several pages back. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you doubled-down, tripled-down and now have quadrupled-down on your error. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong to begin with.
Meanwhile, not one single person, Republican or otherwise, claims that the subpoenas don't exist -- you are alone in this camp.
Yes, one more thing.
When will you produce the subpoenas Nutilduhhh?
When will you produce the subpoenas Nutilduhhh?
Again: they are not publicly available as of yet. That hasn't changed since 3 hours ago.
ANY subpoena has basic legal requirements to be enforceable. This is not because of what jurisdiction they were issued from but because that is what due process requires. Part of that due process is a filing of the subpoena, certifying it, and serving it. That means as standard procedure public records are generated, ones which you should easily be able to produce, but can't.
Then why did you give the definition for a judicial subpoena instead of a congressional subpoena? You didn't know what a house clerk was and were insisting that they somehow communicated with and stored records in a court, which they don't. You were confused, and then you were wrong.
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- prepare the roll of Members-elect.
- call the Members-elect to order at the commencement of each Congress; to call the roll of Members-elect, and, pending the election of the Speaker, to preserve order and decorum; and to decide all questions of order.
- prepare and distribute at the beginning of every session a list of reports required to be made to Congress.
- note all questions of order, and decisions thereon, and to print these as an appendix to the Journal of each session of the House.
- prepare and print the House Journal after each session of Congress, and to distribute the Journal to Members and to the executive and the legislature of each State.
- attest and affix the seal of the House to all writs, warrants, and subpoenas and formal documents issued by the House.
- certify the passage by the House of all bills and joint resolutions.
- receive messages from the President and the Senate when the House is not in session.
- prepare and deliver messages to the Senate and otherwise as requested by the House.
- retain, in the official library, a permanent set of the books and documents generated by the House.
- manage the office and supervise the staff of any vacant Member (the vacancy may have occurred by expulsion, resignation, or death) until a successor is elected.
In addition, the Clerk:
- acts as custodian of all noncurrent records of the House, pursuant to Rule VII.
- is responsible, under the supervision and direction of the U.S. House of Representatives Fine Arts Board, for the administration, maintenance, and display of the works of fine art and other similar property of the Congress for display or for other use in the House wing of the Capitol, the House Office Buildings, or any other location under the control of the House (P.L. 100-696). In addition, pursuant to the rules of the United States Preservation Commission, the Clerk may be asked to provide staff support and assistance to the Commission.
- call the Members-elect to order at the commencement of each Congress; to call the roll of Members-elect, and, pending the election of the Speaker, to preserve order and decorum; and to decide all questions of order.
- prepare and distribute at the beginning of every session a list of reports required to be made to Congress.
- note all questions of order, and decisions thereon, and to print these as an appendix to the Journal of each session of the House.
- prepare and print the House Journal after each session of Congress, and to distribute the Journal to Members and to the executive and the legislature of each State.
- attest and affix the seal of the House to all writs, warrants, and subpoenas and formal documents issued by the House.
- certify the passage by the House of all bills and joint resolutions.
- receive messages from the President and the Senate when the House is not in session.
- prepare and deliver messages to the Senate and otherwise as requested by the House.
- retain, in the official library, a permanent set of the books and documents generated by the House.
- manage the office and supervise the staff of any vacant Member (the vacancy may have occurred by expulsion, resignation, or death) until a successor is elected.
In addition, the Clerk:
- acts as custodian of all noncurrent records of the House, pursuant to Rule VII.
- is responsible, under the supervision and direction of the U.S. House of Representatives Fine Arts Board, for the administration, maintenance, and display of the works of fine art and other similar property of the Congress for display or for other use in the House wing of the Capitol, the House Office Buildings, or any other location under the control of the House (P.L. 100-696). In addition, pursuant to the rules of the United States Preservation Commission, the Clerk may be asked to provide staff support and assistance to the Commission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerk_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#Duties
Meanwhile, not one single person, Republican or otherwise, claims that the subpoenas don't exist -- you are alone in this camp.
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In letters to State Department employees, the Committees have ominously threatened- without any legal basis and before the Committees even issued a subpoena - that "[a]ny failure to appear" in response to a mere letter request for a deposition "shall constitute evidence of obstruction."
https://www.scribd.com/document/429357573/White-House-Letter-to-Speaker-Pelosi-Et-Al-10-08-2019
Starting to see a pattern...
yeah, me too:
"HUGE! EXCLUSIVE BOMBSHELL: Documents Released by Ukrainian General Prosecutors Office Reveal MILLIONS Funneled to Hunter Biden and the John Kerry Family"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/huge-exclusive-bombshell-documents-released-by-ukrainian-general-prosecutors-office-reveal-millions-funneled-to-hunter-biden-and-the-john-kerry-family/
https://www.scribd.com/user/259237201/JohnSolomon/uploads