Quote from: hilariousandco on February 26, 2014, 08:42:41 PM

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I like to think that God wanted to know if we would choose to have a relationship with him by our own choice, not because we are being forced to love him. If we could force our spouse or children to love us how would we really know if they loved us or not?

I thought he knew everything. He would've known what we'd do anyway. And God is forcing us according to you. It's believe in me or I'll burn you for eternity. There is no choice there. It's either give in to bullying or die. Abusive relationship.

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As for God allowing Jesus to die for our sins, the point is that our sins are a serious thing. It is something that is taken so lightly in our world now though. But most people are not grateful for what Jesus has done for them.

How did Jesus getting murdered save anyone? I don't get it. There's no logic to it. Am I going to hell since Jesus died for my sins or not?

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As for the priest going to heaven for abusing children, the only way that a priest that abused children could go to heaven is if he truly repented and asked forgiveness for that.

Great. Fucking kids is fine as long as you're really sorry. Brilliant. People who are good their entire lives but question god? Nope, you'll burn in hell.

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In fact, the Bible says that "those who are forgiven of much love much."

Again, the Bible says. If the bible said to stone adulterers & homosexuals and to not work on Sundays would you believe it? Oh, wait...

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It is one in which He has brought tremendous healing.

Muslims say that about Allah. Some people say even positive thoughts can cure cancer, but those people usually don't believe their own bullshit when it comes down to it.

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I have much gratitude of what He has done for me. He has helped me make choices that have kept me from many problems in my life and I know that regardless of what difficulties I will have to go through in this hard life I am not alone.

Those were all choices you made. Nobody else or any mystical beings, just you. I think you underestimate the power of the human mind or spirit (I don't use that word literally). I once heard an argument from a junkie that he got clean by the power of god. Nah, it wasn't god, it was your own determination and self-will. You can do a lot of things if you put your mind to it. You can also get people to believe in anything by brainwashing them.

It seems like you are pretty ticked at God, or have decided based on your knowledge of who you think He is, you don't believe in Him.

I will briefly comment on a few things. As for God "choosing to send us to hell" that is a matter of your perception. In reality we choose to go there by not accepting Him. The choice is completely ours so I don't understand you saying that He is the one to blame here. Would it be fair of God to let people murder, rape, sexually abuse kids etc. without any judgement for those sins? Of course not! There needs to be punishment for those sins. However, you seem to think that there is a hierarchy of sin and you are "above" the line and God should not punish you. I realize that without God's grace I could be a killer (I have hated someone so much I wanted to kill them) so I know what it is like to have that desire. I then am humbled by that and realize that without God's grace I could do horrible things. So in a sense I am no different than any other sinner, regardless of what kind of sin. All sin keeps us from God. It doesn't really matter what that sin is. We as humans like to categorize them and say that this one is worse than that one, and I do believe that some sins have a greater harm for sure. The Bible even says "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." So some sins against children may be punished more. But this is where God's grace comes into play. Jesus brings restoration and healing to those that seek Him sincerely. If someone that was an abusive jerk really was repentant they should feel compelled to do everything they can to apologize and seek forgiveness from the people they harmed. If that person never is repentant then as a Christian I can sleep at night know that God will judge them accordingly, even though it saddens me that the person does not want to change.