Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Firstly it was good to see that you made an effort to address my points
I see we agree that hacker should be treated fairly. That is a good start.

Hey we agree on something. I cannot believe that I might get to become progressively greater and greater buddies with someone who hardly anyone else seems to like.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Let's work through this together.

uh oh? I am starting to feel manipulated, already.... This is not going as well as the first sentence seemed to have had suggested.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

On a scale of 1 to 10 ( 10 being the worst) how would you rate the " claimed" negative behavior of hacker

I don't feel qualified to rate the matter without doing some homework. Are you suggesting that I need to do some homework?

I have noticed through my years in various forums that troll shills tend to assign projects to me...

But, o.k... let me attempt to give you some benefit of the doubt here. You are not trying to assign me any homework, you just would like me to assess based on the homework that i have already done, perhaps?

Still seems like work. This is a friendship that is requiring me to do work that I do not want to do.

Hey, bonesjones, good buddy (potentially). Didn't I say that I was mostly interested in talking about bitcoin related matters?

You want me to get involved in some topic that is of very little interest to me?

Let me just say, everyone should be treated fairly including hacker. Feel better bonesjones?

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

and what are you suggesting should be done about it?

Well, I was NOT planning on doing anything other than what I had already done. Are you asking me to get involved in some kind of way beyond whatever I already have done? Is there something that I need to consider? Are you suggesting that I need to read through some parts of this thread that I may or may not have read and/or to refresh my recollection about something? I don't usually like getting assignments unless it is a topic that interests me. I am currently trying to juggle a few things in my life, so maybe you need to direct me at something specifically that you believe that I need to look at, good buddy (potentially).

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

To provide some context let's throw some other members histories into the mix. Please read these threads and conduct your own research.
Then attribute their behaviors a rating 1 -10 and what should be done about them?
Here are 2 threads for you to take a look at.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238490.0

I clicked on those two threads and I saw the subject matter. One is about your assessment of something related to Lauda and the other is about your assessment of something related to Nullius. I am not really interested in homework. Geez. This friendship is seeming to digress into something seeming quite one-sided. You want me to do a quite a bit of work, and we are just barely getting to know each other.. Fuck. I thought that we were going to possibly be buddies. Yeah, of course, I had a few reservations, including the fact that I barely have gotten to know you, including my questioning about your various other accounts and how you purportedly already know so much about me, but then you want to assign me homework for me instead of attempting to get to know each other MOAR better.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

I would like to see the rating and hear your reasoning.

I would have to do homework to engage in ratings of these matters. I am not even interested in the subject matter.. well at least not superficially.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

It is possible that you are not pushing double standards or making favourites here.

I don't have double standards. I know a lot of people who do not give me assignments, and it makes me feel much MOAR better to NOT have matters imposed on me. Didn't I already disclose to you that one of my main interests in the forum is related to bitcoin, and you want me to do other things. Also, corona virus and some other personal topics are interesting to me, currently, but you want me to jump into some topic that is not interesting to me, at the moment in terms of my current happenings and thoughts.. including merely just attempting to figure out if we have any mutual interests.. besides a superficial one that everyone should be treated fairly, including hacker.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Or may be you are but you simply are unaware.

Yeah... I wasn't aware that I was either pushing double standards or favourites. I just thought that i was randomly following what was interesting to me, but it ends up skewing towards my feelings and my interests at the moment. For example, I am getting a bit hungry right now, and I keep thinking about if I should have a snack or if I should keep responding to you. I also have some papers on my desk that I need to sort, so I am kind of favoring putting them in order rather than reading some assignments from someone who I barely even know beyond our couple of posts, already. This possible friendship is not going how I was thinking that it might go, and so yeah I did not realize how I prefer to kind of get to know peeps before taking orders (assignments) from them...

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

I will be more than pleased to have misjudged you.

It seems that you have misjudged me, if you want to start out our budding friendship through homework. Maybe there is some other mutual interest topic that does not require me to do homework?

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Your own popularity must not cloud your judgement and cause you to contribute or compound the 2 tier system.

I feel that I am not going to be very popular in my allowing you to drag me down these seemingly increasing off topic lines of inquiry, including that I am responding to your questions about my supposed clouded judgement, and seems that we are getting way far afield.

So in essence, it seems that I may be sacrificing some of my purported and potential popularity just for interacting with you about these nonsensical views regarding what motivates me and if my views and feelings might cause me to inadvertently compound a 2 tiered system.

Fuck what everyone else thinks.. I am trying to answer your questions... and fuck all you guys (and gal) who think that bonesjones is not worth responding.. I am going to sacrifice some of my potential present and future popularity to entertain him, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not devolving into nonsense.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Context is clearly important when determining what is fair or rather consistent.

I agree.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

I mean you can refuse.

Thanks. I am refusing to do homework that is assigned by you until we become better buddies by getting to know each other a bit better.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

One must ask themselves though why would you refuse now that you have an open and public opportunity to clearly demonstrate you are fair or that you at least want to be fair.

Yeah.. sure. Some members, including you, are not going to like me very much because they might believe that I should do some more homework. And, I suppose that I am feeling like a bit of a jerk because I don't want to do any homework, especially the way that the homework seems to be getting imposed upon me... so yeah, that might not be fair, exactly that I had come into this dialogue considering that I had already done enough homework in terms of my previous posts and my previous decisions to give merits.. etc etc.. . I believe that I am fair by trying to read your post and respond, but members are not going to like my response, including you, so what am I to do? you surely are coming off as a bit over bearing and even putting me in a pickle.., and we are just getting to know each other. But, hey,.. maybe I should stop complaining and attempt to work with you some more, even though this surely, is not going very well, so far. Sucks to be me, currently.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

You need not get into an offtopic discussion here you can compare hackers "claimed" negative behaviors against those other two on their respective threads.

I did not believe that I was engaging in any compare contrast of hacker versus lauda versus nullius, but you believe that before I had posted I should have been engaging in some kind of compare and contrast of the behaviors of these three members? Pretty high standards, and I did not know that I had not been sufficiently prepared to post or to send merits or whatever I had done earlier in the thread.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

The results after we work through your reasoning and the suggested action can be listed here.

I thought that I already said that I did not believe that I had any burdens to provide information. I said that in my earlier post. I mean I even had asked some questions about how you know me so much, but you did not even respond to some of my inquiries, instead you launched yourself into giving me assignments. We don't seem to be getting anywhere, so far... beyond a couple of superficial agreements... otherwise, you just keep assuming that I need to study certain topics... and make some kind of compare and contrast of the actions of different members in a way more than I already have done. Seems a bit burdensome to me.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

You simply can not and should not be willing to let more serious wrongdoing from your "friends" go " unnoticed " but then join in with those friends attacking other members for possibly far lesser evils.

You are saying that Lauda and Nullius have done equally or greater evils than hacker, but did I accuse hacker of doing an evil in this thread? Yeah, he interacted with me, and I posted a response. I also liked one of Lauda's posts. What are you saying, exactly bonesjones? What judgements have I been making in regards to hacker that I should be making regarding Lauda and Nullius? I am just having troubles with whatever connections that you are making regarding how I may have done some unfair actions, and then I am supposed to justify my behaviors?

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

I am not here to make enemies.

Well I thought that we were working on being friends.. so please don't go in the opposite direction. Let's try the friend part first.

We might need to start over, because so far the friend part is not working out very well.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

It is sadly just how it must be when you put ensuring fair and equal treatment of all members above your own popularity.

You are saying that in order for us to try to become friends, then I need to study into Lauda and Nullius first? I am getting more lost regarding what you are expecting of me.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Im sure if i wished I could have plenty of alts all being very popular. I know this for sure.

Oh? You are going to tell me about your alts? None of your alts are popular, so far? By the way, I actually did not realize that I was striving towards popularity, but I was attempting to concede that the longer that any member has an account and the more than the member interacts with other members, then the account is likely to become more popular. I still do not believe that I was striving to be popular, even if I may have become more popular with the passage of time.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Let's see how you respond. I am hoping you will demonstrate you are fair. I will not shy away from fair appraisal of your actions though. Be consistent or be called out for playing favourites.

O.k. If you suggest that there are only two possible outcomes, then I suppose that you have reached your conclusion, right?

Are we done then?

Are we breaking up, before we even got started in our friendship attempt?

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

It is nice to talk to persons that can demonstrate some degree of maturity.

That's true. I think maturity is a good thing, and having a sense of humor is good too. And, not being a bully is good too.

But, I am still not sure if we are getting very far in our discussion, and lots of peeps are probably going to get pissed off at me for trying to respond to you, when they are going to conclude that we could never be friends, and that I am entertaining you dragging this aspect of our conversation into way too much off-topicness. However, I keep trying to see if we can work something out, even though the whole discussion seems to be devolving into nonsense.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

You write very long posts. You pick each piece apart and answer it individually. I like this style.

This might be another area of agreement that we might be able to explore - even though I am not sure how far it is going to get us, but at least there seems to be some additional possible shared interest....

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

The content is not quite as valuable as my own

I have found that there is likely a decent amount of subjective assessments concerning whether content might be more or less valuable.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

but I think with some pointers and a little less reaching you do have potential.

I agree that frequently there can be room for improvement, but still discretion in that too. Many times, I have found friendships that strive towards accepting me for who I am to be more beneficial than ones that seem to be trying to change some aspect of me, but if there are other areas in which there is a mutual benefit, then sometimes flaws can be overlooked. I do agree that sometimes people do get a bit of a tendency that they want to change things that might either be beyond their control or NOT very likely to be easily changed.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

After you have demonstrated that you are standing behind your words of fair treatment for hacker.

I am surely behind my words, yet I never said that I was striving for anyone's treatment to be changed, including hackers. I said that hacker deserves fair treatment, which has implications that everyone deserves fair treatment. I doubt that I was saying much more than that.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Then you.must come and break down all of my shitposts and help me see where i have presented all of this false and incorrect shit.

Hopefully, I don't have to analyze you. I was preferring that we just try to find things that we have in common and build our friendship from there. Of course, along the way of building our friendship, I may incidentally find some things that I might be able to help you with or to analyze you, but I am not really interested in analyzing you, unless there is some topic that you post about that is interesting to me. Do you have any bitcoin-related posts that might be interesting to me, for starts? There's gotta be something to get us going a little better than we have been able to accomplish so far in our short (only two back and forth posts) relationship.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

I thought it was all just truths with the motive of fair treatment for all members. Leave that for later though.

Sure... truths, fair treatment for all members and leaving it for later. I agree on all of those points.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 10, 2020, 04:34:25 PM

Lets get hacker sorted out fairly first.

Why can't hacker sort himself out?

I come from a kind of self-help background. Of course, sometimes people need a hand in getting their shit in order or figuring out if there are things that they can do to better help themselves, but many times people need to make sure that their shit is in order and even to figure out if they need to change or if there are ways that they can fix or tweak their shit.

You really believe, bonesjones, that there is something that you and I need to do, and we will find some commonality in some kind of approach that might work with "getting hacker sorted out"?

I am thinking that a good way to frame the matter would be to ask how can we figure out a way (or ways) for hacker to better help himself? I don't want to spend too much time on this, and surely I would not want to enable some problematic issue. I have hardly any clue about the whole underlying background, including not knowing hardly shit about hacker either, except for some interactions with him in which I recall that he was trying to bully me.. but hey, let's let bygones go for now... and anyhow, let's just say for example someone has a certain kind of problem (not saying that it is necessarily true for hacker), then there might be a need for him to change an approach instead of engaging in the same problematic behavior on an ongoing basis?

Anyhow, if there is some kinds of ways that we could figure out a mutual way forward with this situation that you believe that I should be interested in to help hacker to better help himself in this current situation that does not come off as rewarding bad behavior, then that would be great.