Quote from: MoonShadow on September 29, 2011, 12:58:54 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 29, 2011, 07:31:55 AM

Quote from: MoonShadow on September 28, 2011, 11:39:27 PM

@Hawker,
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Who own's you? Who own's your spouse? Who own's your children?

The problem with your analogy is that society is not a group of friends playing a video game. You don't get invited to be part of society and you can't ignore the fact that your actions have consequences for other people in society.

A better analogy is an apartment block. At the owners AGM, one owner says "Hang on I never agreed to the stairs being cleaned 4 times a month. When my father bought this place 40 years ago, stairs were cleaned twice a month. You guys are spending money hand over fist and the management fee is going through the roof. And its on stuff I've opposed at every meeting. I want to withhold my management fee because I never agreed to all this stuff."

I've been the head of a residents company in financial difficulties where people who themselves were broke made this exact argument. But if we have voted and the majority said to clean the stairs four times a month, I can enforce collection. Mostly people realise that the administrative costs of fighting are a waste of money and pay up.

Taken to a bigger scale, we have common needs that must be met and taxation is the means we use to pay for them. There is no invitation to join - you inherited the citizenship. You may not agree with where the money goes but its up to you to change the system. There isn't really a way to opt out/move away but that's the limit of the analogy rather than of the logic.

You didn't even attempt to address any of the questions that I asked. Where do you get the idea that libs don't know that our actions affect others?

Sorry I don't get where you get from a stolen video player to people owning you, your spouse or your children. And as I said, comparing society, which is inherited by and large, with a group of friends playing a video game, which is voluntary by and large, doesn't make sense to me. You can leave the group and it hurts no-one. Refuse to pay taxes and it does affect other people.