Quote from: ErisDiscordia on March 14, 2014, 04:26:48 PM

Since you are still conflating the words "community" and "government". Here's what your post would look like, if we substitute one for the other.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 14, 2014, 03:41:12 PM

Roads are NOT going to be built in any kind of efficient way without public funding. Surely, there may be better ways to go about accomplishing the same objectives, but roads are within the governments desires about the solution. If you want another solution, besides roads, you have to convince the government to move in that direction. In your rural Tennessee example, that is converting to a less rural existence, the government seems to have decided that it wants more roads.... b/c they see that as the solution to the issue of having more people in the area.

Haven't you ever heard of a situation in which what the government wants is perceptibly different from what the community wants. You keep using sentences like

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 14, 2014, 03:41:12 PM

Roads are NOT going to be built in any kind of efficient way without public funding.

, stating them as fact and acting like you have provided an argument. You treat your opinions like fact (at least your statements lead me to believe this) and that makes debating you quite annoying imo. Take octaft for example. He seems to view matters similarly to you but seems to have a much more open mind about it.

Anyway do you really believe the government is an accurate expression of the will of the community? That they are functionally the same thing?

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 14, 2014, 03:23:02 PM

If you are an American (or another western country), you have won the lottery, b/c you can move almost anywhere in the world with your passport and find some haven that has little to no taxes.

and still be hounded by the IRS lol Cheesy

Yes community and government are very similar terms - that is true.. And, varying levels of government are going to be more accessible than other levels of government and treat different public interest issues and jurisdictions.

I would imagine that you know as much as me that there are varying levels of government.

so what if Octaft is nicer than me..? who cares? people have their different styles and different levels of patience.

regarding my renditions of what I believe to be the facts versus opinion.... Yes, sometimes, I make statements about matters that are assertions that may or may NOT be under contention.

Frequently, people who live in fantasy lands attempt to create new facts or get caught up in technicalities... so maybe I am just trying to avoid too much fantasy... I am NOT trying to take away from anyone's ability to challenge my assertions b/c I have NO intention to misstate actual material facts - except for when it is fun to do so (with immaterial facts)... such as the flying car example... hehehhehe....

If you believe I misstated something material to be a fact that is NOT a fact, then let me know.