Quote from: n0nce on September 02, 2021, 10:22:49 AM

Quote from: Rath_ on June 26, 2019, 09:36:04 PM

Do I have to run a full Bitcoin node?

No, LND supports neutrino; c-lightning allows using a pruned node. Eclair users are out of luck. Mobile clients obviously do not need you to run a Bitcoin node.

I have no idea if this was discussed yet since this thread is damn long, but I would like to mention that I tried c-lightning with a pruned node, since it was mentioned everywhere that it should be possible, then ran into issues. When asking in the community, I was told that indeed those issues were due to me running Bitcoin Core pruned, so I had to go back to square 1 and restart Bitcoin Core in non-pruned mode.

Also PSA for newbies: Raspberry Pi Model 3B+ with a (fast) USB 3.0 HDD takes literal weeks to sync and verify the whole blockchain. Either have a real desktop (maybe also laptop with enough umph) Linux PC with which you can do the initial sync, then plug the drive into the Pi. Or use an SSD. Just wanting to prevent tons of headache Cheesy

Especially since in case of an issue with the HDD (give it external power!!), when Bitcoin Core has to restart, it has to re-verify a ton of blocks which can easily add a day or two for each crash that you experience.

About the underline statement, yes there are some issues but there is a solution. I can't tell it because I'm also not aware how to work around it, but I know it is possible. The c-lightning telegram channel is one of the best places to ask how to run a pruned bitcoin node and c-lightning. Sooner or later you'll get the solution.

Quote from: n0nce on September 02, 2021, 11:47:32 AM

Quote from: DaveF on September 02, 2021, 11:27:07 AM

All that extra processing power for $20.00 more.
I know that due to the current shortages prices are all over the place, but you can still here in the US get a 4 with 4GB for $50 delivered give or take a few dollars.

Wow, I knew that each consecutive Pi added a bit more power, but never checked the numbers, and indeed the jump from 3 to 4 is insane!
I always had the issue though, that I bought a Raspberry Pi shortly before the new one came out, so I'm stuck with a 3B+ for almost as long as the model 4 exists.. Ugh. Now I don't want to make the same mistake again and buy a model 4 now if maybe next month a 5 comes out lol.

Anyway, my Bitcoin stuff just runs on an older Intel platform, which is probably still faster than a Pi model 4 (though of course much higher power consumption) and I already had it, so it was 'free'. Also easier to work with in general, e.g. apt updates take forever on Pis (at least anything up to including 3B+).

A Pi is though much more compact and easier to tuck away, I was thinking of still getting a model 4 with the Argon One m.2 case (https://thepihut.com/products/argon-one-m-2-raspberry-pi-4-case). However, I'm hopefully getting my Futurebit Apollo soon whose SBC should have even more power than a Raspi, and will try to install Lightning onto that. Would also be a nice compact solution and having a compact full node with LN and a hashboard would be really sick, let's see how it will work out Grin

Let me tell you about another great solution. And if you're willing to spend a bit more and use an NVME M.2 drive, consider a RockPro64 SBC. It's way faster than Raspi4 and it supports the mentioned superfast drives. The downside is one 4Gb of memory, even so, it's way better than Raspi4.

@BlackHatCoiner, this is towards you too.

My experience with my RockPro64 + Samsung NVME M.2 (128Gb) + 1Tb external drive (Western Digital), I don't complain about any fan noise. I am using an old PC RAM fan and a heat dissipator. During the hashing of the entire blockchain, what heat up the most was in fact the NVME drive. The heat sink did it's job along with the small fan.

In my point of view, LND pros is just the fact that you can open a channel towards someone that already opened a channel towards you, but C-Lightning have more pros. Lighter, less resources hungry, more configurable, and yes, the fact that you can write a plugin in pretty much any language, is a must! This is a door wide open for any dev to contribute. I'm amazed how it is not yet filled with people building plugins.

Anyway, I don't want anything else other than my RockPro64 board (raw Debian in it), and I install solely what I want, the way I want and when I want. Full control... Period!