Quote from: Biffa on March 25, 2014, 09:41:54 PM

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Quote from: Augusto Croppo on March 25, 2014, 08:19:54 PM

Do you see above, Bruno? They are desperate to you go. Do not fall for the trick. There is no guarantee you will even receive the promised 20 BTC. Do not put your psychological health under the influence of crooks. It is a trap to control you and got away with fraudulent scheme being perpetrated since 2013.

I actually think Augousto is talking complete sense here. I don't believe AMT for a second, and I have a feeling you're playing right into their hands.... Remember, as consumers, we hold the power. They may think they can get away with taking money from us, but in the end, they will get what's coming to them by due process. Don't take their bait Phin... I don't think it will end well (and I'm saying this with the understanding that I will now be flamed as an AMT "paid slander-er" - but my two cents cannot be swayed by such quips). At least take a step back and think about what you're getting into here...

Regardless, I appreciate what you have been doing for us. You've shed light on the fraud that AMT is turning out to be, and for that I thank you. I still have a modicum of hope for delivery of my two 1.2's... but I have already accepted the reality that legal course of action is most likely the way to go to get my money back - or at the very least, stop these fraudsters from stealing other people's money.

+1 Agreed

Phin, there is no reason for you to travel there. It's 2014 and they should be able to UPDATE EVERYONE on the internet or these forums. I am concered they will either be wasting your time, trying to pay you off for your endorsement (i know you would never do that), and generally I'm concerned about your safety if you intend on meeting these folks.

You dug into their personal, albeit, tainted history: and I would think twice about putting yourself at risk.

Personally I think its not about silencing him by paying him off, the greater risk is that they will try and discredit him in some way. I trust he's wiley enough but its a possibility.

That is possible. But again he has proven to be very resourceful. Thus far we have seen him pull some major info from them at the same time, they publicly posted they woudl be meeting with him. This isn't an episode of law and order. If it turns out something happened to him it would be VERY easy to see who is involved. They likley just want to meet with him, show him the offices, show him the place and all that is legit. We have had people go there already. But granted it could have been done a bit better. Hell if its such a concern then some people should be in the general area just in case. Forum members to look out. But honestly it doesn't seem like it would be necessary. But discouraging him from going would basically validate their doubts of him. At the same time it would also discredit him as well. Because they are essentially calling a bluff while bluffing themselves. So calling them on it would be the most likely option here. If they back down after he says yes....now they have to make good on their end.

If they back down and make excuses then its a safe bet its all crap. And everyone here who has been hating is absolutely right. Think a bit tactically before turning it into an episode of law and order or saying something that can be used against the community later. They have been blaming the community for their plight. Well they reached out and said they will send the most vocal skeptic over to show them. They had a bounty of 20 BTC to get him over there (not kill him as some alleged) just to talk to Phin and show him their facility show that they are on the up and up. Maybe even solicit some feedback from him. These things do happen. Companies will occasionally get haters and turn them into favored people not because they bought them off, but because they were able to show them first hand the merits of what they were doing. At the end of the day its Phins choice to go.

He is a grown man and he might be for this (or not). Everyone here respects what he has to say even if not everyone fully agrees. But to me if he comes back and says AMT is the real deal or AMT is a sham (based on physical inspection), that's all I want to know. Let's say I went there? Noone here would respect anything I had to say. I dont have the reputation here yet to put that. That said if I got a miner and showed some stuff going on with it that would be ok for the miner. But not for the legitimacy of AMT. Which is what quite a few haters here have in question.

I am taking this objectively and with skepticism. I want to know that we are getting our miners. And the only way to know that for sure is for someone from here to physically show us.

Could they be posting on facebook? yes! twitter? yes! google+? Yes. But they dont. So this is the next best thing for us right now.

How would they go about discrediting him? At this point they basically have no credibility. Nothing they could say at this point we would believe. So anything they say at this point would be a joke. At this point it would all have to come from phin. If they have to go to this much trouble to discredit someone from a forum vs using social media which has MUCH broader reach, then this so-called scam just sucks. They got some money sure, but its not much of a scam if it doesn't pay out well. Thats how good scams work. Hell even bad ones. My guess is they are just dealing with alot of the same supply issues due to bitmines issues. They even alluded to such in one of todays posts. Doesn't excuse the lack of communication. But I think we need to look at the opportunity to jump on and check it out. Just think a little bit. They are desperate yes. And they are doing this because they really need to get the PR back. Don't get emotional and think ARRGH hope they fail. That could happen if they dont improve their practices. BUT remember. We paid for a product, we want it. So we also want updates according to that.

My argument here is that Phin is the perfect person to represent the community here and check things out. And who knows it could turn into a thing amongst companies looking to validate their claims to legitimacy as real bitcoin mining companies.