Quote from: YADAYADA on May 26, 2022, 08:56:17 AM

Quote from: light_warrior on May 20, 2022, 01:49:53 PM

Come up with something new, asshole.

Here,how about this one? More nazi collaborators listed for "hero" status. If you proudly and shamelessly embrace their legacy without any care about what they did to Jews and other ethnic minorities then that makes you a NAZI sympathiser by default. Are you a NAZI sympathiser light_warrior ? I myself am Jewish and want my tax money and donations spent to help peaceful refugees and provide medical assistance but not to aid and abet anyone who makes light of the fact these "heroes" slaughtered our people and many others. Also stop using the typical russian sympathiser slur against anyone who dares question your "heroes" war criminal past crimes as it only makes you look like a thug and we already know there are plenty of thugs on BOTH sides of this conflict. Thugs never apologise or show remorse for what they do or have done. Thugs have no place in a civilised world.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/08/04/controversy-as-ukraine-mulls-giving-hero-status-to-alleged-war-criminals

WTF did i just read? Ukraine literally proposes to call heroes and make stamps and coins for people who they openly agree had committed atrocities? That's some new level of tolerance

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Seventy-eight Ukrainian lawmakers from all sides of the parliament have proposed to give the title ‘Hero of Ukraine’ to controversial figures such as Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych.
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The proposal also asks the Ukrainian Parliament and the country’s president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to commemorate the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, UPA, operating from the 1940s and into the 1950s, on their 80th anniversary in October next year.
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he is not arguing against the atrocities committed by members of the UPA towards Jews and Poles. However, he argues that Bandera should be remembered for his fight for independence.

“They are controversial; I agree with that,” Yurash says, “(But) they said that we don’t want to be a puppet or an instrument. We want to be an independent state. The story here should be remembered, but we should also not forget all the problems. However, their goal was very clear - an independent Ukraine. And it is worthy of giving stamps and coins for.”

Yurash says that it should be made clear that Bandera and the UPA aren’t receiving the honour due to the atrocities committed but for their role in the Ukrainian fight for independence.
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“I do not disagree that we should remember, examine and acceptably apologise for horrible deeds done, but so did the other side.
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“He is one of the people who defended Ukraine’s freedom,” Zelenskyy said in 2019.

“He is a hero for a certain percentage of Ukrainians, and it’s normal, and it’s cool.”

So the controversy doesn't stem from whether they're nazi collaborators who massacred 100.000 innocent people including women and children, oh no everyone acknowledges and is totally cool with that, the controversy is whether fighting for Ukraine is somehow enough to offset all the committed atrocities to make them heroes Huh

I could possibly see how someone who might believe that they innocent, could think of them as heroes, but acknowledging the atrocities and still make them heroes is just monstrous. I mean sure Hitler is responsible for all the killings, but he did it in the name of his nation and aryan race, so how about making him a hero too (just need to stress that it's not for the genocide part but for caring about his nation).

It's like this US Customs and Border Protection bulletin

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“Ukrainian nationalist groups including the Azo[v] Movement are actively recruiting racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist-white supremacists (RMVE-WS) to join various neo-Nazi volunteer battalions in the war against Russia,” the report said.

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In a recent Washington Post interview, the head of the battalion, Andriy Biletskiy, said the group “completely” rejects Nazism. The Post noted that he has been quoted previously making white supremacist statements, and now denies having made those comments. The article quoted Bellingcat’s Michael Colborne, who has written a book on the battalion, saying that “there are clearly neo-Nazis” within the Azov movement’s ranks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/24/american-fighters-ukraine-white-supremacists-00034860

US is concerned about those neo-nazis coming back with war experience, but the best part is the counter argument, it's not that they're denying it, as much as everyone should just stop talking about this because it helps Putin!