Quote from: DaRude on Today at 05:45:44 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 04:01:31 AM

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 02:20:24 AM

I mean sure Hitler is responsible for all the killings, but he did it in the name of his nation and aryan race, so how about making him a hero too (just need to stress that it's not for the genocide part but for caring about his nation).

You have an unhealthy obsession with Hitler.

Here is what Ukrainians were up against besides Hitler:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The Holodomor [...] as a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.

[...]

While scholars universally agree that the cause of the famine was man-made, whether or not the Holodomor constitutes a genocide remains in dispute. Some historians conclude that the famine was planned and exacerbated by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnytsia_massacre

The Vinnytsia massacre was the mass execution of between 9,000 and 11,000 people in the Ukrainian town of Vinnytsia by the Soviet secret police NKVD during the Great Purge or Yezhovshchina in 1937–1938

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bykivnia_graves

The Bykivnia graves [...] was one of the unmarked mass grave sites where the NKVD, the Soviet secret police, disposed of thousands of executed "enemies of the Soviet state".

The number of dead bodies buried there is estimated between "dozens of thousand," to 30,000, to 100,000 though some estimates place the number as high as 200,000.

From the early 1920s until late 1940s throughout the Stalinist purges, the Soviet government hauled the bodies of tortured and killed political prisoners to the pine forests outside the village of Bykivnia and buried them in a grave that spanned 15,000 square metres (160,000 sq ft). So far, 210 separate mass graves have been identified by Polish and Ukrainian archaeologists working at the site.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres

The NKVD prisoner massacres were a series of mass executions of political prisoners carried out by the NKVD, the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union, across Eastern Europe, primarily Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Bessarabia. After the start of the German invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, the NKVD troops were supposed to evacuate political prisoners into the interior of the Soviet Union, but the hasty retreat of the Red Army, the lack of transportation and other supplies and the general disregard for legal procedures often meant that the prisoners were executed.

Estimates of the death toll vary between locations; nearly 9,000 in the Ukrainian SSR, 20,000–30,000 in eastern Poland (now part of Western Ukraine), with the total number reaching approximately 100,000 victims of extrajudicial executions in the span of a few weeks.

Sounds eerily familiar these days.

Fun fact: Russia's glorious forever-president is a former officer of the KGB (the agency was known as NKVD at the time when the above atrocities were committed). But that's probably just a coincidence, nothing to do with him being a genocidal psychopath like the decades-worth of other NKVD/KGB agents.

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 02:20:24 AM

might want to dial down your propaganda, you seem to have it set at 11

Gotta love Putin's copypasta boys accusing others of "propaganda".

I wrote up how Ukrainians are well aware of the atrocities of their so called "heroes" and how despite knowing all that they still stand by them and want to commemorate them on coins/stamps/monuments/streets (but you know only for the good parts that they did not the murdering of innocent children part) and your best reply is, but what about Stalin in 1933? Even if your Stalin's claim were true, how on green earth do you feel that this in any way justifies worshiping open nazi collaborators who murdered innocent people in the name of ethnic cleansing in 2022?

These Nazi collaborators must be quite old. LOL.

Russian propaganda fried your frontal lobe.