Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 16, 2022, 10:26:53 PM

The climate is in fact changing over the long term, but that doesn't mean that it is being caused by humans, that there is anything that humans can do to stop/reverse it, nor that it will result in harm to the ability to inhabit the planet. There have been multiple cycles of climate over long periods of time, for example, many years ago, there was the ice age.

Measures to "fight" climate change are really a means to make the West weaker economically and militarily compared to China.

The climate is changing over the short term, and this is caused by humans. It certainly affects our ability to inhabit parts of the planet. It continues to amaze and appal me so how many ordinary people of a generally "right-wing" political leaning will happily lap up whatever lies they are fed by the oil industry and their stooges in government* rather than accept incontrovertible fact, simply because they don't want to be seen to identify with what they perceive as a "leftie" cause. The climate crisis is not a cover for some ideological push for a big state, or a geographical analogue of BLM, or anything like that. It should transcend politics, we all share the same planet, FFS, and everyone will be affected, even if they aren't already.

I write this on a Sunday evening. In my country, we're expecting to break our national temperature record tomorrow or Tuesday. Other parts of the world are literally on fire. 400 million people in China inhabit a place that may soon, for parts of the year, have such a high temperature that humans simply cannot survive there.

* ... and cigarettes don't cause cancer, right? Roll Eyes