Quote from: Waradlain on July 31, 2022, 08:58:20 PM

Quote from: DaRude on July 31, 2022, 08:36:20 PM

Everything you write is absolute nonsense that shows that you are here not to understand the issue. You found some obscure article and you really should have shown this:

Chronology of Ukrainian language suppression

17th century
1627 – Decree (ukase) of Tsar Michael on a petition of the Moscow Patriarch Filaret to burn in the Tsardom of Muscovy all copies of the Didactic gospels of Kyrylo Stavrovetsky [uk], one of the didactic gospels of Kyrylo Stavrovetsky.[1][2]
1688 – on the orders of Moscow Patriarch Joakim in huge fires on the streets of Moscow "Crocheted Christ" of Antin Radivilovsky [Wikidata] was burned, together with the works of prominent Ukrainian theologians Peter Mogila, Lazar Baranovych and Innocent (Giesel).[3][2]
1690 – Condemnation and anathema of the Council of the ROC for "new Kievan books" by Petro Mohyla, Cyril Stavrovetsky, Symeon of Polotsk, Lazar Baranovych, Antonius Radivilovsky [Wikidata] and others.[2]
1696 – decision of the Sejm of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on the introduction of the polish language in the courts and institutions of the Right-Bank Ukraine.[2]
18th century
1720 – Peter I's decree banning printing in the Ukrainian language and the seizure of Ukrainian church books.[4][2]
1729 – Peter II ordered decrees and orders written in Ukraine be rewritten in Russian.[2]
1763 – Catherine II's decree banning the teaching in Ukrainian in Kiev-Mohyla Academy.[2]
1769 – Prohibition of the Synod of Ukrainian print and use the primer.[2]
1775 – The destruction of the Zaporozhian Sich and closing of Ukrainian schools at the offices of the Cossack regiment.[2]
1789 – the Polish Sejm Commission on Education ordered the closure of all Ukrainian schools.[2]
19th century
1804 – according to a special royal decree in the Russian empire, all Ukrainian-language schools were banned, which led to the complete degradation of the Ukrainian population.[5]
1817 – Introduction of the Polish language in all public schools in what is now Western Ukraine.[2]
1832 – Reorganization of education in Ukraine on the empire-wide principles and transforming all teaching into Russian language[2]
1847 – The crackdown on the Brotherhood of Cyril and Methodius and increased persecution of the Ukrainian language and culture, the prohibition of the best works of Shevchenko, Kulish, Kostomarov and others.[2]
1859 – Ministry of Religion and Science of Austria-Hungary attempt to replace Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet with Latin in Eastern Galicia and Bukovyna .[2]
1862 – Closing Ukrainian Sunday schools for adults in the Russian part of Ukraine.[2]
1863 – Valuev Circular prohibiting censors from giving permission to the publication of Ukrainian spiritual and popular educational literature: "there was, is not and could not have been a separate Little Russian language".[2]
1864 – Adoption of the Charter of the primary school at which education was to be conducted only in Russian.[2]
1869 – Introduction of the Polish language as the official language of education and of the administration of Polish Eastern Galicia.[2]
1870 – Comment of Minister of Education of Russia Dmitry Tolstoy that "the ultimate goal of education for all inorodtsy (non-Russians, literally "people of other descent"), is unarguably their Russification."[2]
1876 - Alexander II's Ems decree banning the printing and import from abroad of any Ukrainian literature, and to ban Ukrainian stage performances and Ukrainian lyrics in music scores, that is folk songs.[6]
1881 – Prohibition of teaching in the public schools and conducting church sermons in Ukrainian.[2]
1884 – the ban by Alexander III of Ukrainian theater in all the provinces of Little Russia.[2]
1888 – a decree by Alexander III banned the use of the Ukrainian language in official institutions and of Ukrainian given names.[2]
1892 – Prohibition to translate books from Russian into Ukrainian.[2]
1895 – Prohibition by the Main Administration of Printing to publish Ukrainian-language children's books.[2]
20th century
1911 – Resolution VIIth congress of the nobility in Moscow's only Russian-language education and the inadmissibility of the use of other languages in schools in Russia.[2]
1913 – Ukrainian banned from all public schools in Alberta, Canada, home to the largest Ukrainian diaspora community in the New World at that time.[2]
1914 – Prohibition of celebrating the 100th anniversary of Taras Shevchenko, the decree of Nicholas II prohibition of the Ukrainian press.[2]
1914, 1916 – Russification campaign in western Ukraine, the prohibition of the Ukrainian word, education, church.[2]
1922 – Part of the proclamation of the Central Committee of the RCP (b), and the Communist Party (b) the "theory" of the struggle between the two cultures in Ukraine – city (Russian) and peasant (Ukrainian), which should win the first one.[2]
1924 – Law of the Republic of Poland on limiting the use of the Ukrainian language in the administration, judiciary, education subservient to the Polish lands.[2]
1924 – Kingdom of Romania law on the obligations of all the "Romanians" who "lost their mother language," to educate children only in Romanian schools.[2]
1925 – Ukrainian final closure of the "secret" of the university in Lviv[2]
1926 – Stalin's letter to "Comrade. Kaganovich and other members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CP (B) U with the sanction of the struggle against the "national bias", the beginning harassment of "Ukrainization".[2]
1933 – Stalin's telegram to stop "Ukrainization".[clarification needed][2][7][8]
1933 – Abolition in Romania Ministerial Decree of 31 December 1929, which permits a few hours a week of the Ukrainian language in schools with a majority of students with the Ukrainians.[2]
1934 – A special order of the Ministry of Education of Romania's dismissal "for the hostile attitude of the State and the Romanian people" of all Ukrainian teachers who demanded the return to school of Ukrainian.[2]
1958 – Enshrined in Art. 20 Principles of Legislation of the USSR and the Union Republics on Public Education of the situation on the free choice of language learning, the study of all languages except Russian, at the request of students' parents.[2]
1960–1980 – Mass closure of Ukrainian schools in Poland and Romania.[clarification needed][2]
1970 – Order of the Ministry of Education of the USSR on academic thesis defense only in Russian language.[2]
1972 – Prohibition of party bodies to celebrate the anniversary of the museum Kotlyarevskyi in Poltava.[2]
1973 – Prohibition to celebrate the anniversary of Ivan Kotlyarevsky's "Aeneid."[2]
1984 – Order of the Ministry of Culture of the USSR on the transfer proceedings in all the museums of the Soviet Union, the Russian language.[2]
1984 – Back to the USSR payments increased by 15% of the salary for teachers of the Russian language in comparison with teachers of Ukrainian language.[9][clarification needed]
1989 – the decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU on "legislative consolidation of the Russian language as a nationwide".[2]
1990 – adoption by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Law on the languages of the peoples of the USSR, where the Russian language was granted official status.[2]
21st century
2012 – The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine draft law "On State Language Policy", which steadily narrowed the scope of use of the Ukrainian language in most of the regions of Ukraine.[10][11]
2014 – The Ukrainian language has been suppressed in Russia-occupied Crimea,[12][13][14][15] so-called Luhansk People's Republic,[16][17] and so-called Donetsk People's Republic[18][19][20][21]

Nothing has changed these days:

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With a blessing from the Russian Orthodox Church, occupation “authorities” in Mariupol have burnt a large library belonging to the Petro Mohyla Church, Mariupol mayoral advisor Petro Andriushchenko said in a Telegram post on June 25.

What do you think the ban on the Ukrainian language use in Ukraine, which has been consistently carried out by russia for centuries, has given any result? No doubt. Im surprised that people remember Ukrainian at all. Everything that is happening now with the language in Ukraine is absolutely correct, although it's a very long way that Ukraine will definitely go through.

Cool history lesson back from 1627 starting with the Tsars, now do you feel all of this justifies current discrimination?

Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2022, 11:22:56 PM

Quote from: DaRude on July 31, 2022, 08:54:35 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 31, 2022, 08:49:06 PM

Quote from: DaRude on July 31, 2022, 08:36:20 PM

Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all. Roll Eyes

. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing

This law forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language does not exist.

I'm not saying that such laws exists, just replying to johhnyUA who seems to be truly bewildered why discrimination and racism go against EU values and are bad

You might not be aware, but people can speak more than one language. The requirement to learn the official language of the country you live in (for example to be able to use government services) does not prevent you from using whatever other language(s) you speak, and isn't racism or discrimination. Every country including Russia works like that.

You might not be aware, but there are countries out there with more than one official language and some even have 16 besides official there are national languages, regional languages minority and widely spoken categories. Do you know any other country in the world where language spoken by the majority in the capital is not even a regional language? Forced Ukrainization, give people the option and let them decide.

Totally not a cultural war, nope not at all

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Ukraine’s parliament on Sunday voted through two laws which will place severe restrictions on Russian books and music as Kyiv seeks to break many remaining cultural ties between the two countries following Moscow’s invasion.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-restrict-russian-books-music-latest-cultural-break-moscow-2022-06-19/