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Quote from: DaRude on August 01, 2022, 04:45:06 AM

Banning books

Repeating this doesn't make it true. I'm sure great literary works of Russian authors can still be translated and printed in Ukrainian, and perhaps even imported in the original language under one of the exceptions.

Considering shit like this in children's books issued by the "liberators", the restrictions seem about right:

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I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right? huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception Roll Eyes

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The Constitution of Ukraine is no longer respected for you?
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Good point wasn't even aware.

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Quote from: DaRude on August 01, 2022, 04:45:06 AM

Guess technically Jews could always stop the concentration camps if they had majority in Nazi Germany... Cause you know discrimination and racism is always decided via majority vote

Only if the country is actually democratic and asks people about their opinions.

Are you trying to say Hitler asked the Germans if he should gas Jews in camps or not and acted only after he got the majority of votes?
Putin surely asked the population if he should attack Ukraine and the majority said yes, which is why soldiers were told they'd go to Belarus for training, took a nap in transport trucks and woke up in Ukraine.

That's a nice theory you got there.

No, you completely missing the point. Democracy doesn't prevent discrimination, bigotry, racism... In fact, opinion of the masses should have no baring on questions of ethnic discrimination against minority

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Quote from: Waradlain on July 29, 2022, 09:53:35 PM

de-Russification of Ukraine

I also have a question for people here: Why this is bad? I mean in reality de-russification == de-colonization , so why this is bad? Im' living in Ukraine, and never seen that people were forbidden to speak russian. But yeah, new generations should learn their own language, not some imperialistic and colonial "языГ". So this is like: you are allowed to speak russian, but your children will be ukrainian speaker, if you don't want so you could leave to russia.

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Wow, yeah, that's not racist at all. So nice of you to only discriminate against further generations, and allowing current generation to continue to speak Russian (where majority in capital Kyiv use Russian in their everyday life) i thought there was a higher chance of Ukraine keeping it together, but after your comment, (if you in fact represent majority view) i can see how that will be impossible now.

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...Unesco, the Council of Europe and the OSCE, are concerned with the risk that RMLs [Regional and Minority Languages] face and undertake actions to protect their linguistic rights. Non-respect for regional or minority communities' linguistic rights is qualified as racial discrimination, a breach of human rights.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2016)589794

Ofc not. This is called "decolonization". The same things happens in Africa or in New Zeland with maori. Russian is not the natural language to ukrainians, this is colonial language which was forced to learn by force. So it's normal that country want to leave colonial past behind. If someone want, he can learn russian by himself or in private schools.

And yeah, russian this is not "regional language". Regional language is the language of minority nations which doesn't have their own countries. In Ukraine this is crimean tatar or gagauzi (minority nation near Moldova). And yeah, we need to help them to safe their culture.

Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all. Roll Eyes

. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing

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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area...it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

Sure, let's do that with London as well:

According to your theory, India should be in charge quite a few boroughs of London and Indi made an official language, the rest belong to the Middle East states and many to Ethiopia, so Ethiopian, Urdu, Farsi, Romanian, Polish,... all official.
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Think you got yourself into a corner there, if not by amount of speakers, how do you think all other countries pick their official languages on national and regional levels?? Should Canada and Finland add Aramaic as their official language instead of French and Swedish?

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Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all. Roll Eyes

. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing

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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area...it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

How not ashamed to lie so STUPIDLY!?

In Ukraine, there is no ban on the Russian language, in Ukraine, after 2014 years, a sharp drop in interest in a language that turned out not to be a carrier of culture and history, but a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence. The population rejects it en masse. Although the state and even private educational institutions continue to provide such a service. In Kyiv, for example, there are about 20 schools where you can study COMPLETELY in Russian.

Now show me how many schools in Moscow where you can fully study at:
- Ukrainian
- Tatar
- Chechen
- Moldovan
- Tajik
Or is this again a "completely different story", as you usually say when they poke your nose into what you are doing, attributing it to others?

So there is no need to hysteria and primitive, stupid lies to scatter here. This is not Russia for you - here people think and know the truth

I'm sorry, but only an imbecile can truly believe that a language can be "a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence." Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, and inadvertently pointed out the root cause of the issue, asking if a language could be all those things can be a litmus test. I strongly suggest you reevaluate your position on the language (not asking you to reconsider events or people, but the language itself), and question any sources that made you come to this conclusion.

I would say the same thing if Russia, or any other country for that matter, put in "severe restrictions" on any books based solely on the language the books are written in. Honestly, I'm quite shocked that i even have to explain that censoring books based on the language is bad!