Quote from: DaRude on August 08, 2022, 10:41:40 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 06, 2022, 04:32:33 AM

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2022, 01:00:49 AM

Ah whataboutism, there's no hypocrisy or double standard that it cannot justify. Weren't you taught that whataboutism cannot apply when creating laws? And is actually called discrimination in law. But i must agree it's a convenient tool to prevent population from questioning any and all laws.

When one country invades and the other says "we don't want your books anymore" it's absurd to claim "discrimination". Come on, master of whataboutism, find us some historic analogy. Like Russian imports of German books during WWII.

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2022, 01:00:49 AM

If your logic leads you to the following conclusion, think it's safe to say that you're on the wrong side of the argument:
Masha and the Bear = brainwashing children, needs to be censored, require exceptions to import
Mein kampf = totally fine for unlimited circulation without age restriction

That's your conclusion, not sure why you're ascribing that to me. I'm sure there are many bad books issued in countries that Ukraine has good relationships with. I never argued otherwise. It's a tangent that doesn't mean anything in the context of restricting book imports from a country they're at war with.

Quote from: johhnyUA on August 06, 2022, 08:09:15 AM

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2022, 01:00:49 AM

You seem to be confusing censoring 60% of all of the books on UA market based only on the language they're written in and censoring eight specific books.

Why are you so stupid? Oh wait, let me clarify: From your link, it's obvious that Ukraine banned russian books import, not books itself. So you can translate any russian author into ukrainian and sell it without any problems.

In difference, books that banned in russia, banned entirely. It doesn't matter on which language you will try to read it.

I hope at least you get paid for your bs

Funny how these two counter arguments are covering the full spectrum. From we're not fighting the language only it's content which is propaganda that brainwashes children (suchmoon), to we're totally fighting the language and not the content, content of any Russian book is allowed if it's translated into Ukrainian (johhnyUA)

Following that logic, should UA ban RU language sites on the internet? If RU music/radio/books are censored why allow RU sites? Why censor one media of information but not the internet?

Point being is if you're waging a war with a language you've already lost.

Quote from: paxmao on August 07, 2022, 11:14:02 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 06, 2022, 04:32:33 AM

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2022, 01:00:49 AM

Ah whataboutism, there's no hypocrisy or double standard that it cannot justify. Weren't you taught that whataboutism cannot apply when creating laws? And is actually called discrimination in law. But i must agree it's a convenient tool to prevent population from questioning any and all laws.

When one country invades and the other says "we don't want your books anymore" it's absurd to claim "discrimination". Come on, master of whataboutism, find us some historic analogy. Like Russian imports of German books during WWII.

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2022, 01:00:49 AM

If your logic leads you to the following conclusion, think it's safe to say that you're on the wrong side of the argument:
Masha and the Bear = brainwashing children, needs to be censored, require exceptions to import
Mein kampf = totally fine for unlimited circulation without age restriction

That's your conclusion, not sure why you're ascribing that to me. I'm sure there are many bad books issued in countries that Ukraine has good relationships with. I never argued otherwise. It's a tangent that doesn't mean anything in the context of restricting book imports from a country they're at war with.

Certainly the whole argument is ridiculous. Is like asking Israel to make Mein Kampf compulsory reading at school or making Carl Marx a compulsory reading at Texans schools. They somehow keep on insisting that Ukraine should actually be praising and chanting about the main language of the state that is trying to annihilate them. Senseless at all point.

Not censoring all books based on a language != compulsory reading of a specific book, or that anyone needs to praise and chant anything.
Such a stretch, c'mon, you know better than this

You know Russia invaded Ukraine right? They're handing out passports in the areas they occupy and bombing the areas they don't. Putin literally said Ukraine isn't a real country. The book ban you're talking about happened after the war started, not before. It was a response to Russia trying to destroy Ukraine literally, and you're trying to make Russia out as the victim because they banned Russian books....in the middle of the war...Such a stretch, c'mon you know better than this