Quote from: suchmoon on September 24, 2022, 08:26:18 PM

Quote from: DaRude on September 24, 2022, 07:51:51 PM

A "yes UA's goal is still to take back Crimea" would suffice, so do you personally agree with the "even though we lived fine up to 2014, we're now going to suicide everyone in order to prove a point to the world of just how bad Putin is" strategy? After RU escalates with mobilization and US backs off and doesn't make any new significant military aid commitments to the UA, what exactly is the point of sending UA military to the front lines? Is it to become a bigger victim?

No.

Quote from: DaRude on September 24, 2022, 07:51:51 PM

Have you considered that people who can remember and compare Donetsk before and after the coup came to town and replaced their duly elected president (who they overwhelmingly voted for) might care too? But i guess that's where you say if they didn't resist and accepted the coup they'd be totally fine?

Yanik's resignation didn't ruin Donetsk, the Russian invasion (2014 and even more so 2022) did. You need to clarify your point here if you have one. Reposting Kremlin propaganda in the form of loaded questions doesn't make it any more valid.

Quote from: DaRude on September 24, 2022, 07:51:51 PM

So you agree that Soviet leadership was fully diversified and represented with different nationalities all the way to the top. So Soviet famine that killed millions of Russians under non ethnically Russian leader is not that leader's nation fault, yet famine that killed millions of Ukrainians under non Russian leaders i still somehow Russia's fault?

You're the one bringing up "leader" nationality. I'm saying it means jack shit, it's the fucked up Russian/Soviet regime that caused this and it makes sense that Russia's neighbors (other than ones with their own wannabe dictators like Belarus' potato fuehrer) don't want any of that. Which part of it is still too difficult for you to understand?

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority the elected him would be a bit unhappy about that.

Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

If i may quote myself from May

Quote from: DaRude on May 18, 2022, 06:37:22 PM

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Ahh the, you default because i won't accept your payment, logic. I'm not sure if USD can be militarized anymore than this, so they decided to totally kill USD as a global reserve currency, how much of the US debt do they expect China to buy up after such antics? US cannot run on balanced budget especially now, so Yellen will need to force EU (Germany/France) to start propping up USD at the cost of EUR. USD/EUR parity incoming. Scholz and Macron are set up to be played hard, guess that's why they're running around the way they do

Euro is now bellow parity hit $0,96 today, and GBP is about to hit parity, got down to $1,0373 the other day. So now USD is up over 30% against GBP since U.S. delivers written response to Russian demands amid Ukraine crisis...as Washington continues to pursue diplomacy aimed at diverting a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. yes diplomacy at its best indeed.

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do Huh

Then it gets better after claiming the following:

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“Every Russian soldier who either shoots at the plant, or shoots using the plant as cover, must understand that he becomes a special target for our intelligence agents, for our special services, for our army,” President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an evening address on Saturday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/14/ukraine-targets-russian-soldiers-threatening-nuclear-power-plant.html

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Ukrainian military officials have accused Russian forces of firing missiles from the plant’s grounds in Nikopol, just across the Dnipro River, using the plant’s vulnerability as cover.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/06/world/ukraine-russia-war

And of course

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Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they have to shut it down before winter starts

And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

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Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

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Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow they blow it up to make sure they loose any chance of leverage over Germany for the winter Huh

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he claims hacks or a joke

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U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now