Quote from: Poker Player on Today at 02:46:55 AM

I'm starting to get fed up with the nuclear threat:

Medvedev raises spectre of Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine

If it were up to me, I would be prepared to launch a massive nuclear counterattack the moment Russia drops a single atomic bomb on Ukraine.

Ex-CIA officer says Putin is 'completely cornered' and the chances of his using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine are increasing 'by the day'

Since the negative radiation effects would affect neighboring NATO member countries, I would consider the attack as triggering Article 5.

Surely this would end in a planetary catastrophe, but you can't live your whole life under the threat of a bully without reacting. I'd rather die with dignity than live on my knees.

You sir are an idiot (or, hopefully, just a UA troll trying to suck the world into a nuclear war, which is at least understandable). In case it's the former, Medvedev is war mongering, his argument is pretty much if US/EU escalates this further and sends thousands of M1 Abrams and other tanks rolling into "new" Russian territory, RU will defend itself with a nuclear weapons. Which was pretty obvious to everyone even Zelenskyy says he doesn't think Putin is 'bluffing' over nuclear threats (which completely baffles me, please send us tanks but he's totally serious and will nuke us next? Shouldn't he be saying completely opposite, Putin is bluffing please send us tanks you'll be fine, it totally WON'T trigger WW3? can someone explain this one to me Huh

). You, on the other hand, claiming NATO members would have negative radiation effects thus lets turn this into planetary catastrophe is beyond moronic. I can safely speak for the rest of the world, that we all are very glad that it's not up to you, we've been through this before and would very much like to live through this and through all of the following nuclear stand offs, and if you want to die feel free to do so on your own, non of us want to be dragged in with you!

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 03:19:33 AM

Quote from: DaRude on September 27, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority that elected him could be a bit unhappy about that.

Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

You seem to be very unsure as to what you're talking about, so many questions...

Quote from: DaRude on September 27, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do Huh

Logic being that they had the city surrounded and in control of all roads out of it.

Quote from: DaRude on September 27, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts

Again, Russian forces are in control of it. If they don't want or can't bear that responsibility they can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. It's a civilian object useless for military purposes unless the military purpose is nuclear blackmail.

Quote from: DaRude on September 27, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

Funny how you pretend like this is something new (unless you've been in a cave the last 20-30 years and it is indeed new to you). Russians have been using gas and oil for blackmail for decades. Mostly against smaller countries like the Baltic states so it wasn't as newsworthy until they hit Germany.

If you can't bear responsibility of UA attacks on a nuclear power plant you can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. Love it! Absolutely perfect logic, nothing more needs to be added!

Your kindergarten propaganda is tiresome. Pick one, either, US leveraging it's alliance and status of its dollar as a global reserve currency to apply pressure everywhere, and Russia is leveraging it's resources, OR US is blackmailing with its alliance, finances, technological dominance etc etc etc and Russia is blackmailing with its resources. I'm fine with either, but you can mix them up for a cheap propaganda shot.

The reason RU cannot "blackmail" UK or say Australia is because it doesn't have a pipeline to them, do you now see how having a pipeline in the first place is kind of important to the whole "blackmailing" part. No pipeline, no more "blackmailing"