Quote from: paxmao on September 28, 2022, 10:59:00 AM

Quote from: DaRude on September 27, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

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And of course

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Russia ‘endangers the whole world’ with strike on nuclear power plant in Ukraine

https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts

And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

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Biden, in contrast, told reporters at the White House that “if Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Asked how he could be sure, since it would be officials in Berlin, not Washington, who would make the decision, Biden told a journalist: “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

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Nord Stream pipeline blasts were likely from explosions, not earthquakes, seismologist says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke

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U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

Interesting theory I reckon, the US being the one blowing up the gas pipe to ensure that Germany does not use it. However it does not make sense, since they anyway have Nord Stream I which is already shut off. If Germany / EU would want RF gas, they can still get it. Following the argument, the NS I goes through Ukraine, but Ukraine would not interrupt these due to risk of EU becoming less friendly.

Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

Already loving these! Kiss

You seem to have some misunderstandings about Nord Streams. Nord Sream 1 does NOT go through Ukraine. Both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pretty much go side by side from Russia to Germany

There are 2 pipes that make up NS1 and 2 pipes in NS2 for a total of 4 pipes. Both pipes of NS1 and one pipe of NS2 are confirmed to have been blown up. So far seems like one pipe in NS2 is holding pressure but we don't know the extent of damage to it. Regardless estimates to fix range from few months (meaning after winter when it's useless) to never.

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while opinion polls show that more than two thirds of Germans still back sanctions, around half think these are hurting Germany more than Russia.
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"Our entire economic system is in danger of collapsing. If we are not careful, Germany could become de-industrialised," Michael Kretschmer, conservative leader of the eastern Saxony region, told Die Zeit newspaper in an interview printed on Thursday.
"If we realise that we cannot for now give up on Russian gas, then it is bitter but it is the reality, and we must act accordingly."
Concerns about government policy on Ukraine are particularly widespread in the former communist East, which has stronger ties to Moscow and stands to be more affected by the looming economic downturn as it is already worse off.
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Kretschmer, whose state has a population of around 4 million, is calling for the war in Ukraine to be "frozen" and for Europe to push for peace talks.
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Ukraine's outgoing ambassador in Berlin, Andrij Melnyk, said on Twitter Kretschmer should stick his own head in the freezer to stop his "Russia fantasies".
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"Freezing for freedom is not sustainable," CSU General Secretary Martin Huber told the Muenchner Merkur newspaper, referring to the prospect of possible gas shortages in the coming winter.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/worries-over-winter-test-support-in-germany-for-russia-sanctions/47787442

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‘Sulky liver sausage!’ Ukraine ambassador scolds German leader for not visiting Kyiv

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-germany-scholz-sulky-liver-sausage-b2070401.html

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Germany fails Ukraine as 'vague' Scholz U-turns on military support
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Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Schmyhal met with the German Chancellor in Berlin over the weekend to discuss cooperation against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But the Ukrainian leader was left disappointed by Mr Scholz after he was met with reluctance to be provided with key military aid by Berlin.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1665919/germany-olaf-scholz-tanks-delivery-military-aid-ukraine

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Thousands take to streets in north Germany demanding launch of Nord Stream 2

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/26/689860/Germany-Russia-Gas-Link-Demo-Nord-Stream

And now Poland and Ukraine control all RU gas deliveries to Germany as all other gas pipes to Germany go through them Grin

If Germany doesn't have enough gas or winter is extra harsh now they can't get more RU gas without Poland/Ukraine permission. Anyone knows how to say Germany is fucked in German?

Clearly US and EU perceived the pipeline as a threat to the point where US president is on record saying that he'll bring the pipe between Russia and Germany to the end. So you're saying that Russia did just that themselves to make some point Huh

that point being that they can shoot themselves in the foot? You are aware that there are other gas pipes besides this most critical one for Russia, and Denmark is part of NATO last i checked. Is that your best theory?

Quote from: af_newbie on September 28, 2022, 01:26:56 PM

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It is Putin's payback for Germany nationalizing his refineries.

Thanks for not sending tanks to Ukraine and pissing them off, but because you nationalizing some refineries, now I'm going to do what Biden promised to, and blow up this pipe to make sure that no RU gas fill those refineries, and so i loose all leverage over you. Is that what you expect people to believe? Is this your final answer?

Quote from: suchmoon on September 28, 2022, 01:59:54 PM

...The pipeline hasn't disappeared. It can and likely will be fixed and Kremlin will surely be extremely gleeful about it.

You disappoint me, weakest one so far!! No aliens, or Germans were some kind of triple agents that why RU decided to take them out? At least please tell us that you're some kind of underwater pipe expert? These kind of weak arguments would be a hard sell even for the most retarded mass media consumer!

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NORD STREAM is feared to have been damaged beyond repair and left crippled indefinitely after it was torn open by a series of explosions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19945821/nord-stream-damaged-beyond-repair/