Quote from: paxmao on October 05, 2022, 09:59:38 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 05, 2022, 06:47:10 AM

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"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

April 2008

Dude, you like to pose as as someone who can see things that others cannot - hate to break it to you: The US policy is very transparent, the German position on regards to it is known since ages you are just stating stuff that everyone knows years if not decades ago . Trump, who is a egomaniac even said it out loud: US does not like Germany to be a commercial partner of the RF while they depend on US for defence against them.

Your level of "analysis" and "dangerous questions". is equivalent to reading an 8 year old newspaper.

Now, you go back and read all the reasons why an RF attack is very likely (payback for EU help to Ukraine, rules of Mafia) and an US attack is very unlikely (basically an act of war to one of the few allies they have left) and try to make your case.

BTW, EU's answer to US cutting in spending while demanding more payments from EU, was "sure, but instead of paying NATO, we are going to create an EU army". Trump never raised the point again.

Quote from: Branko on October 05, 2022, 09:50:26 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 05, 2022, 06:47:10 AM

"Adolf Putin is desperate enough to sell gas to EU" so Putin would be desperate to sell gas and Germany would help him out by buying it, because the rules of the mafia world? And knowing that beforehand, he blows up his own direct pipeline to Germany so they'd have to ask permission and pay Ukraine or Poland to transfer more gas to Germany? Did i understand you correctly?

As far as US pushing EU to diversify its energy resources from RU, now you're starting to open up your eyes, think macro level and ask very dangerous questions. Careful, real world is not pretty and dangerous questions might lead to disillusionment and why everyone cares about Ukraine all of a sudden.

You take them too seriously...they're just trolls and cheer for all dead Slavs, be it Ukrainians or Russians

And as you noticed, they're pretty picky which country women rights to demand, and which country women rights they don't care about

I am against war and killing. You have been justifying the RF aggression because is "a fight against capitalism".

Unfortunately, there are countries in which changes are possible and others in which, as of now it is not. The pressure from EU and US for social liberal policies is subject to reality checks, like most things in life.

The payback was the stop of gas flow, but keep the spigot at hand as a leverage for when it's needed the most. Here's how things are going in UK which was much less dependent of RU gas How to prepare for a power cut as Brits warned of blackouts Again point is apply pressure to reduce military help to UA. Blowing the pipeline up achieves non of the goals and removes all leverage, but we'll revisit this point come December

You seem to have missed the point yet again, as you have agreed, EU has been under pressure to come off RU gas for ages. So far piping Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan gas through Georgia has mostly failed, and pulling UA from RU sphere of influence for their gas and transit potential is not looking too good now either. Now ask yourself why EU didn't come off RU gas before? Was it because they just loved Putin so much, or was relationship mutually beneficial, everyone was fine with the status quo of UA being under RU's sphere (just as Kazakhstan and Belarus) and EU continuing to grow and raising their standards of living with access to cheap RU resources, because the alternative is

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Rocketing energy costs are savaging German industry
Germany is bracing itself for a rough winter as soaring energy prices threaten to leave permanent scars on its manufacturing sector, a key engine of its economy.
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But energy-intensive sectors, which include chemicals, glass and metals producers, fared even worse, slumping by more than 2% from July.
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“We don’t need a crystal ball to see a further weakening of German industry in the coming months. The full impact of higher energy prices will only be felt in the last months of the year,”
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Germany’s manufacturing industry — which accounts for more than one fifth of the country’s economic output — is worried some of its companies won’t see the crisis through. Many are slashing production, while some are laying off staff and relocating parts of their operations abroad to cope.
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“[Energy] has gone from being… a cost among others in the business to be something which has the capacity of basically closing the business down,” he said.
Energy costs at Prysmian’s six German factories are expected to soar to €20 million ($20 million) this year from just €5 million ($5 million) in 2021. Next year, costs are predicted to hit €35 million ($34 million) — a 600% rise from 2020.
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Prysmian has already made permanent cuts to its workforce. Persson said he had laid off about 10% of staff in his region, which covers Germany, Romania, Hungary and the Czech Republic, over the past three months.
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“We might consider this time as the starting point for an accelerated deindustrialization in Germany,” Eric Heymann, a senior economist at the bank, wrote in the report.
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According to a survey last month by the Confederation of European Paper Industries (CEPI), two-thirds of paper producers on the continent have cut their production, while just over half have temporarily closed.
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“There’s a risk that essentially Germany subsidizing its glass industry will kill the Czech glass industry,” Georg Zachmann, a senior fellow at Bruegel, told CNN Business.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/07/energy/german-industry-energy-prices/index.html

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Belgium Calls For A Natural Gas Price Cap To Avoid Deindustrialization
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The European Union needs to quickly intervene in its gas and energy markets, including by imposing a price cap on wholesale gas, to avoid a spiral of deindustrialization and social unrest amid sky-high energy prices, Belgium’s Prime Minister Alexander De Croo told the Financial Times in
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Belgium’s De Croo told FT that if the EU didn’t intervene in the gas market, “we are risking a massive deindustrialization of the European continent and the long-term consequences of that might actually be very deep.”
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EU could impose a hard cap on Russian gas and a flexible ceiling on LNG imports, which would still be high enough for LNG exporters to have the incentive to bring it to Europe.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Belgium-Calls-For-A-Natural-Gas-Price-Cap-To-Avoid-Deindustrialization.html

Whoa wtf now a call for ceiling on LNG imports, bite your tongue?!? What is this communism, US will not be entertained, Cheniere Energy is only up 60% this year

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While we don’t know who was behind the suspected sabotage, we do know that Europe is in big trouble as the cold weather months approach.
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Europe is heading for deindustrialization.
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Stephen Bryen, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, wrote Monday on the Jewish Policy Center’s website that there was no “corroborating or credible evidence” that the Americans blew up the pipeline, nor the Russians. Moreover, he noted that the region is a hotbed of unexploded World War II ordinance. The area is a naval firing range for numerous countries as well. Accidents happen, he said. It's not impossible.
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Secretary of State Tony Blinken is happy about it. He said recently that the U.S. has been selling LNG to Europe and that has “helped compensate for any loss of oil and gas due to Russia’s aggression against Ukraine and we have established a task force to work directly with Europe to decrease demand and get through the winter…and find a way to speed up their transition to renewables.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2022/10/05/nord-stream-whodunnit-may-never-be-known-what-is-known-europe-energy-in-deep-crisis-mode/?sh=2533d0c61cca

Grin

yeah not even idiot would believe Russia would blow up it's own pipeline, so we're back to the 2nd best alternative, spontaneous synchronized accident with 4 explosions, maybe unexploded WW2 ordinance, if you don't believe that, the next alternative is

Quote from: paxmao on October 05, 2022, 12:04:59 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on October 04, 2022, 11:54:39 PM

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The good news for Russians is that the "open field" makes it easy for them to run away.

And for the snipers to have a clear shot at the Orc Slaves backs.
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You cannot possibly be against killing while fantasizing about snipers killing people in their backs!