Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 01:56:53 PM

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 12:52:32 AM

and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??

Given that this is again made up and not at all what I said, I think I'll leave it to your fantasies.

Let's enjoy the birthday fireworks instead.

Take it you don't read the stuff you yourself quote either?

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 01:56:53 PM

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 12:52:32 AM

and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??

Given that this is again made up and not at all what I said, I think I'll leave it to your fantasies.

Let's enjoy the birthday fireworks instead.

Quote from: suchmoon on October 07, 2022, 05:52:29 PM

Quote from: Veleor on October 07, 2022, 05:41:34 PM

But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.

Quit making shit up.

Quote from: https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/zelensky-reference-to-preemptive-strikes-forces-staff-to-clarify-statement.html

In a speech on Oct. 6, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that NATO’s goal was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He made a broad appeal, stating: “I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them and not vice versa.”

Top Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the foreign minister, and Dmitry Peskov, a spokesperson for the Kremlin, charged Zelensky with inciting nuclear war.

Trying to provide reassurance that Ukraine would never advocate the deployment of nuclear weapons, Zelensky’s spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov clarified that the president was in fact referring to precautionary sanctions to be implemented prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion.

“Colleagues, you have come a little far away with your nuclear hysteria and now you hear nuclear strikes even where that was not said. The president spoke about the period until February 24. Then it was necessary to apply measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preventative sanctions,” Nykyforov stressed.

“Only the terrorist state of Russia allows itself to blackmail the world… and hint in every possible way at the use of nuclear weapons. You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” he added.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the President’s Office, said that Zelensky didn’t mention anything about a preemptive nuclear strike and that it was just another Russian fake.

“Another Russian fake. Not a single word from Zelensky about a preemptive nuclear strike on the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said. “Zelensky just reminded listeners of Russian nuclear blackmail and suggested that the world preemptively outline the consequences for Russia and strengthen strikes against the Russian Federation – sanctions and armed assistance.

For his part, Russian president Vladimir Putin has already threatened the Ukrainian counteroffensive with nuclear weapons.

On Sep. 21, Putin made a veiled nuclear weapons reference, stating: “When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can – this is not a bluff.”

(emphasis mine)

(highlight is mine)

On a bright side all the nuclear talk means we're reaching the pinnacle of this conflict. Believe most agree that this is an existential threat for Russia and Biden's Armageddon speech as well as Z himself claiming that Russia isn't bluffing on using tactical nukes means that positions are clear and everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA. We went through RU partial mobilization and taking UA territories, and luckily no commitment to send tanks (they announced a weak military aid package with 18 new HIMARS which everyone realizes is not enough to counter, but even that came with the caveat The highly-prized HIMARS artillery system in the US’s latest $1.1 billion security assistance package for Ukraine will take a few years to be built, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.). To no ones surprise we're reaching the culmination of this conflict, and no one seems to want a nuclear war over this. This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin. Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off

Quote

Ukrainian officials have called on world leaders to issue a firm warning to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, making it clear that any attempt to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine would result in catastrophic consequences for Russia.
...
“The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory – in this case the territory of Ukraine – there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,” said Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior aide to Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, in an interview at the presidential administration in Kyiv.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/21/kyiv-urges-west-to-spell-out-how-it-would-respond-to-russian-nuclear-strike

I believe he got his answer, UA attempt to fast-track to NATO was shut down with “not the right time” so no article 5. This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply.