Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 17, 2022, 07:42:26 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 17, 2022, 06:36:50 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on October 14, 2022, 09:28:39 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 14, 2022, 08:36:18 PM

Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes

])

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution. Not cookies. Not even evil America. The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.
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Quote from: suchmoon on October 17, 2022, 02:22:39 PM

Quote from: DaRude on October 17, 2022, 06:36:50 AM

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition Roll Eyes

])

Ukraine elects a pro-Russian president: "picked"
Ukraine elects a non-pro-Russian president (after the aforementioned ran away): COUP! COOKIES!

Despite the actual facts (not Kremlin fantasies) - like the laws Yanik tried to push through - that point to him being a wannabe-Lukashenko and trying to create a puppet totalitarian shithole for Putin.

But how could Ukraine not want to be like Belarus. Unimaginable.

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all? Whenever something clears the burden of "pretty clear" to you two judges, just have a coup and claim that majority wanted it that way, why even bother asking general population. Don't even need to follow any impeachment protocols, and if US ambassador and undersecretary of state get caught on record pushing for this, and handing out cookies to your side than that's even better. I'm sure people of Donetsk that overwhelmingly voted for their ex Governor of Donetsk Yanukovych into presidents office totally agreed with that, just tell them that he ran away to get milk 11month before reelection and never came back, who wouldn't believe that story?? Quick someone pass this genius approach to Tories in UK and January 6 commission in the US