Quote from: DaRude on Today at 04:59:34 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on October 18, 2022, 01:15:43 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 18, 2022, 12:18:05 AM

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

Oh, well now it's crystal clear, why didn't you just say that earlier...only minor detail left is to define levels of shitheadness. At what level of shitheadness should Article 111 (UA Impeachment) should be enacted (if ever) and at which you can just wipe your ass with the constitution because US cookies showed up on the streets? Yep, sounds like a totally legit democracy.

Quote from: paxmao on October 18, 2022, 04:12:46 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on October 18, 2022, 01:15:43 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 18, 2022, 12:18:05 AM

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?
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You got me! Congrats, your sarcasm detector is in top shape, nothing gets past by you! Yep cause when anyone says representative system* everyone automatically thinks of Ukraine!

And very interesting choice of words, you should read up on Realpolitik. But you probably won't like one of it's main proponents Henry Kissinger's position on Ukraine either.

*unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat

Realpolitik maybe something "new" for you. It is not for me. Now, you have to move on from the XIX century, go past the Menshevik revolution, turn a bit for the existentialism and, on the end of the trail you will find that things are not quite as they used to be with Bismarck and that people in the internet era have better access to the world and can do something about their destinies, even if it takes to fight a Dictator.