Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2022, 07:28:35 AM

Quote from: Branko on October 19, 2022, 07:09:56 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2022, 07:01:54 AM

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution. Not cookies. Not even evil America. The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.

If corruption is main reason for revolution, and it got WORSE after Yanukovych got overthrown,
why we didn't see more revolutions? Could it be that corrupt money was flowing in right
direction after he got overthrown, so there was no reason and no cookies?

Well it didn't get worse after Yanukovych fled to Russia before being impeached and charged for treason, corruption, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up cookies? Is that really the best thing you can come up with? The US ambassador handed out cookies to protestors?

Ukraine wants to join NATO.
NATO won't let Ukraine in as long as Putin Puppets are in power.
Obviously NATO countries will support protests against Putin puppets and be happy to see them removed from power. Ukraine benefits, NATO benefits.

It's really that simple.

Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!

I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Roll Eyes

Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

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The head of Ukraines Defense Intelligence Agency, Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told CNN on Wednesday, the Russians are trying to remove and take with them all the remains of their so-called occupation administration from Kherson city and surrounding areas.
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Russia, he said, realizes and understands the whole difficulty of their situation and they dont want to be totally encircled.

Budanov said the Russian withdrawal will accelerate when Ukraine takes the Nova Kakhovka dam under our artillery fire control.

Thats why all our fighting units are moving towards both Kherson and Nova Kakhovka, he added.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d