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Quote from: paxmao on October 28, 2022, 08:29:15 AM

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.

RE, blowing of the dam, the news I have (and I do not give much credit either) is that the RF has been considering blowing it up, as it would create a barrier to the Ukrainian current advance in the form of a wasteland of mud. If that happens, it would be when Ukrainian troops get closer and would be fake-informed as an Ukrainian doing.

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

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Putin: The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is the United States of America

Technically, Polonium-210 is a radioactive substance, and Adolf Putin used it in the UK in 2006, when killing Litvinenko.

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A prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, he advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state".[5]

In November 1998, Litvinenko and several other FSB officers publicly accused their superiors of ordering the assassination of the Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Litvinenko was arrested the following March on charges of exceeding the authority of his position. He was acquitted in November 1999 but re-arrested before the charges were again dismissed in 2000. He fled with his family to London and was granted asylum in the United Kingdom...

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On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning by polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November
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A public inquiry began on 27 January 2015,[10] and concluded in January 2016 that Litvinenko's murder was carried out by the two suspects and that they were "probably" acting under the direction of the FSB and with the approval of president Vladimir Putin and then FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

Sadly, the death of Litvinenko confirms his own assertion of Putin's RF being a Mafia State.

Not that the British do not like a good mass-murder to make sure "the lesson is not forgotten" (they used to learnt it that way at school at school too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.[a]

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Critics of the bombing have asserted that Dresden was a cultural landmark with little strategic significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and were not proportionate to the military gains.
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To note, some less reliable sources set the toll at 200,000 killed. I wonder if they though "What is the need for a nuke, when you have phosphor?"

EDIT: I wonder if we should consider the radiation cloud from Chernobyl that was enjoyed by the children on northern and central Europe could be considered as a nuclear attack from the USSR to Europe. They certainly did not tell anyone what was happening - it was Sweden that detected it.

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The initial evidence that a release of radioactive material had occurred came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on 28 April[17] (two days after the disaster itself) workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1100 km from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothing.
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Belarus received about 60%
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Voulez vous vôtre baguette avec un petit peu d´Uranium?

Problem with that line of thinking is that any propaganda can be justified as "hope". How you'll be judged depends on the outcome of the conflict, if your side wins you're praised for lifting the moral and for encouraging fighters towards a quicker victory, if your side loses then you were spreading propaganda were enabler and responsible for more senseless deaths of the naive that actually believed you. Of course propagandists always retort that with "at least it saved the earth/galaxy/universe which would otherwise surely be destroyed next", which of course is unverifiable and just a slippery slope argument.

If radioactive substance == nuclear weapons then

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Karen Gay Silkwood (February 19, 1946 November 13, 1974) was an American chemical technician and labor union activist known for raising concerns about corporate practices related to health and safety in a nuclear facility.
She worked at the Kerr-McGee Cimarron Fuel Fabrication Site in Oklahoma, making plutonium pellets, and became the first woman on the union's negotiating team. After testifying to the Atomic Energy Commission about her concerns, she was found to have plutonium contamination on her person and in her home. While driving to meet with a New York Times journalist and an official of her union's national office, she died in a car crash under unclear circumstances....her body contained almost 400 times the legal limit for plutonium contamination...she was found to be dangerously contaminated, even expelling contaminated air from her lungs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood

For firebombing which literally start firestorms look into Operation Meetinghouse. If US/Japan relationship can recover from that to what it is now then...

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More than 90,000 and possibly over 100,000 Japanese people were killed, mostly civilians, and one million were left homeless, making it the most destructive single air attack in human history...Some American airmen also needed to use oxygen masks when the odor of burning flesh entered their aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945)

Quote from: suchmoon on October 28, 2022, 11:00:47 AM

Quote from: DaRude on October 28, 2022, 04:54:27 AM

Would be a great answer if my question was how likely it was for Ukraine to lose, only it wasn't and you're once again hilariously trying to weasel out of the question by forming another straw man, your attempts at deceptions entertain me

"what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? [sic]" is a loaded question. I should know better than trying to answer such questions but still, saying that I don't see such "major indicators" or that losing is unlikely - valid answers no matter how much you dislike them.

Quote from: paxmao on October 28, 2022, 08:29:15 AM

For Ukraine, there is no strategic, tactical, economical, logistical or even retaliatory value in blowing up Kakhovka dam. There are however excellent reasons to take it intact - including the 357 MW electric generation capability. In terms of getting "even", well, I think Ukraine is trying to avoid that type of answer (I think that their "uncles in the West" are doing a good work at keeping their minds cold).

Putin bombing the shit out of electric supply infrastructure all over Ukraine and also blaming Ukraine for allegedly planning to blow up their own hydro and nuclear plants, typical Russian propaganda projection. "See Ukrainians have these bad terrorist thoughts but we are the good guys totally non-genocidally-terroristically liberating Ukrainians from heat and electricity during the cold season". There are probably some strategists in Kremlin thinking that this will make Ukrainians line the streets waving Russian flags and welcoming the liberators, exactly like they did in Kyiv back in February.

I like how you conveniently leave out that "their own" hydro and nuclear plants, are actually fully controlled and claimed by Russia to now be totally Russian and don't provide any electricity to Ukraine anymore. But your target audience don't really need to know these inconvenient facts at all right? Why even attempt to be objective when you can just keep on pushing your agenda.

See it's only a loaded question for people spreading propaganda, as by definition they can't even discuss negative outcomes or the precursors to them, where objective people can discuss anything. I for one can and did easily state that if Ukraine in total is still taking land in January, Russia might be loosing, or if Ukraine gets tanks and trillions in new commitment to counter RU mobilization (instead of just warm scarfs, gloves and more ammo) it's another indicator of escalation to which RU's only options are either a tactical nuclear response or a total collapse. See how easy it is when you're not just spreading propaganda?

Another wall, another simple answer:

- Hope for liberty is never in vain. Fighting for liberty is possibly the only fight that makes sense for humans and, apart from mere survival, one of the few reasons to put your life on the line. This is over and over the same idea "surrender because you cannot win", which after what is happening in the fronts, makes no sense.

- The dam belongs to Ukraine, so it is Ukrainians dam. It is temporarily leased on favourable terms to the Slave Orc Army, but the Ukrainian army, after the advances in the las 5 days which all the trolls here are trying not to mention, is at 54 kilometres from it and about to evict the tenant for bad behaviour.

- Meanwhile, the RF attacked the electrical infrastructure but seemed quite surprised to see their assets attacked at Sevastopol.

The "surrender" idea is each day more of a stupid argument, and while you can repeat it over and over, the fighting disproves completely the idea of the "invincible RF army" - more now becoming the "army from the 90's that showed its true pathetic capabilities".

I think that given your love for life and desire not to cause unnecessary suffering - how human of you - you should start addressing the Slave Orc Army to surrender to avoid getting burnt and blasted in their T-60s. Or is it that you only care about the "poor" Ukrainians?