Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:45:37 PM

They are not even making black friday deals! The same as Ledger.

Well there's still a week until Black friday so there is some time for a discount.

Quote from: bitmover on Today at 01:45:37 PM

Ledger Nano price is also higher than it used to be. They do not sell the cheapest model anymore, Ledger Nano S (49.99), only the Plus version for 79 usd (whcih is basically the same with more memory for shitcoins)

Tbh, that's a small price to pay to sleep much better knowing that your bitcoin is safe and I can't understand how someone who has at least $1k+ doesn't want to buy one (and I know few of those). Hell, even a decent wallet where you keep your money ID/bank cards etc is not much cheaper, if any.

Quote from: Lucius on Today at 02:17:38 PM

Both manufacturers had (or currently have) certain discounts on their devices, and there is still time to make something new before Black Friday. Although considering the moment we are in, it is not realistic to expect that the discounts will be like in the past, when with a 25% or even 35% discount, the prices of the devices themselves were much lower than today.
e is too high"[/i], and that's how it will always be.

Few weeks ago Trezor had 15% discount for their One and T models that ended 10 days ago so who knows, maybe this year's Black Friday deal will be on the last year's levels. In the end, who cares about 15-20 dollars more or less if you plan to store thousands of dollars worth of crypto. As a matter of fact, I bought mine when I had only few hundreds of dollars crypto left as I lost 90% of my bitcoin due phishing. Lesson learned the hard way.

Quote from: Lucius on Today at 02:17:38 PM

We can say that there is always hope that something will change, although I am very skeptical about it. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency trading has not existed for one month or one year, but for at least 10 years, and in that period there have been dozens of serious hacks and exit scams involving CEX. Considering everything, it is easy to conclude that the majority did not learn anything from all that - and those who do not learn from the past are doomed to have the same things happen to them in the future.

Biggest "issue" is that in a 2-3 years the whole new generation of people will enter crypto and for them all that has happened with FTX and other platforms will be a distant memory. And since people often don't learn from their own mistakes let alone others, they are bound to do them.