Quote from: Ahli38 on Today at 04:25:18 AM

Quote from: franky1 on December 06, 2022, 09:13:53 PM

Quote from: naira on December 06, 2022, 09:09:56 PM

a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)

Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.

It seems you are not comfortable with this topic because your reactions show that you are not pleased with the news. I am sorry for starting this discussion that seems to touch on the culture and tradition of your people.
But I was only trying to unveil the economic consequences of this law. Please accept my apology.

It is also very interesting to know that your culture promotes chastity which helps to discourage sex before marriage. My tribe also has respect for the same values. But my only reservation is why is it that these cultural practices are sometimes targeted at the women or female sex. Why would females be seen as outcastes because they had sex, while the men that had sex with them are seen as superheroes? As much as the men wants to marry virgins, the women also should enjoy the benefits of also marrying male virgins too. My culture also treats women as second-class humans due to some cultural practices and I am not in support of it.

Please, sir, I respect your tradition and have nothing against it but we are just sharing knowledge.